In Future Pedigrees - Who will be the Top Dog We Will Be Debating - WL - Page 2

I've seen numerous J litter vom Talk Marda progeny out of different females. I like what I'm seeing. Needlees to say I own a male sired by Jimbeam. Next up...Javir x Gana von den Wannaer Hohen...another one of my favorite kennels:-)

I have seen numerous Bandit vom Wolfsheim progeny that are showing very well. He is producing sold aggression with different females!

I like the high confidence, solid nerves, and interactive "want to work" personalities in the Bandit puppies I've seen. 

The only reason Bandit produces is he brings to the table the Tom Vant Leefdaalhof,  and Fado von Karthago as well as the Antverpa lineage behind the WUSVch Leefdaaloff.  I own a Tom vant Leefdaalhoff grandson and also dogs with the Karthago lineage (as well as Troll and on the DDR side Lord Gleisdreieck, Dargo, Grimm, etc.) 

I think whatever dogs might be talked about in 20 years they will be a combination of the DDR and West German lineage.  I can say the dogs I have with both are far more balanced with great drives and stability.  I like Enzo v Molinari but his best breeding only produced one pup but I think he has some poetential to produce great dogs.. 

People on here like Wilmothhaus Kennels, Eisenherz , and Vom Gildaf as well as Schraderhaus are doing that and I think the next legend will be the blend of both.

I have heard some nice things about Javir progeny as well, and I have also heard from a few TDs that a few Javir pups in their clubs don't have the serious aggression that they like, ie, they may put on a "flashier" or better performance, but they are not as hard or serious as they were hoping they would be. I have no idea who the dams are, so take that with a grain of salt. Can't blame one party for everything;-)  I would like to know what GSDPack doesn't like about him.....;-)

hunger4justice...you're quite kind. ;-)  You're right about me breeding combinations though; I don't care if the dog's from Mississippi or Disneyland if I like how it works and its temperament is solid enough for me....which is where I see the most weakness currently. You won't see me advertising "pure" DDR/Czech/WGR breedings for the marketing...I find it unlikely that the two most perfect matches will happen to share identical pure backgrounds. And honestly, I'm getting to the point that the letters DDR make me gag a little when I see what people are doing with them and how they're breeding them, and the heinous temperaments I'm seeing. 

Back to the topic at hand...I hear a lot of good things about Stuka vom Enckhausen over and over. I have met progeny, but never Stuka in person. I like what I see about as well as I like any "mainstream" (meaning well-known and popular lines) breedings and they seem to be more "real" than many today. 

Oh, and of course we can't forget V Capri vom Hagenberg, the bestest doggie ever.  LOL

I think some of the dogs mentioned WILL be talked about, but will it be because they were that good, or because they were just bred that often? Same as it is now, really, if you think about it. 

Jenni78 -states"  think some of the dogs mentioned WILL be talked about, but will it be because they were that good, or because they were just bred that often? Same as it is now, really, if you think about it. 

I will not minimize any of the dogs mentioned here  - but I am with you - The dogs in the past have tons of breedings (not to minimize them-you have to start with something better than average to achieve what they did) but is it in the marketing by the owners that made them who they really were and how many dogs they were bred with?

They could have been great - but if they hadn't have ben bred heavily then they would have disappeared off the face of the earth and they wouldn't have appeared in any dogs pedigree...

Looking at the dogs mentioned some have been bred very heavily already....

The only reason Bandit produces is he brings to the table the Tom Vant Leefdaalhof,  and Fado von Karthago as well as the Antverpa lineage behind the WUSVch Leefdaaloff.

Isn't that the reason any dog produces? A producing dog has to have good genetics to bring to the table--and having strong ancestors is the goal. The combination is the magic--but the ability to produce both himself and his ancestry is what makes an influential, exceptional, stud dog.

I think Vito may be a "Fero" of the future--look at the number of  his excellent children--sons and daughters--who are in turn producing strong children. I think Bandit is one of these.

What does the kennel name  talka marda mean?

They could have been great - but if they hadn't have ben bred heavily then they would have disappeared off the face of the earth and they wouldn't have appeared in any dogs pedigree...

Your example is circular, though. They are unlikely to have been bred heavily if they weren't producing something people liked.

Don't tell me that the only reason we're seeing Fero in so many pedigrees was just because he was popular and well advertised and thus bred a lot. He was popular because people liked what he produced and they liked what his sons produced and they liked what his sons' sons produced. That is, pretty much, the definition of an influential stud dog. Doesn't mean you have to like everything he produced, or that everything that is popular is good.

I agree with most of what's been said, but as Christine said, yes, they're bred heavily for a reason. HOWEVER, I think often, as in the case of Javir, for example, A LOT of people bred on him VERY heavily before really waiting long enough to really see what he produces. They bred because of JAVIR, not his progeny. Not saying this is good or bad; it just is. What I'm saying is that this fact skews things somewhat because any dog bred enough will have some great progeny. Now, whether or not a dog is consistently producing great things and just being bred a lot is something that takes a while to see, IMO.