Why are Showlines generally priced higher than Working Lines?? - Page 16

Funny, 2 dogs added here, both GSD's.  Two more coming this summer, both GSD.

I think someone spends too much time reading the internet

Bob, you're forgetting about federal and military if just in the US. Outside the US, I think they are more hip to what's going on in the dog world. Jim will tell you too. Many handlers have gone to a Mali and back to a GSD. I prefer a West Highland

Bob, I like your ideas.  Depending on the numbers, I think 2 days would be ok and preferred for me.

I'd like the attack out of the blind to come back, but if we're doing it all on one weekend and a breed survery is done, then I'd rather we borrow a bit from the ring folks and throw a bunch of obstacles out, a minimum of say 3 or so between blinds (barrells, propped plywood, hanging tarp, whatever you have to make to hide behind easily more portable blinds would be ok) and on competion day, the judge decides where the helper will attack out of.

Enough of this heel 10 feet and then the helper hops out and gives a prey bite.  Make the picture different and make it an intense attack.

I'd welcome a wall, more points for a higher wall, but I would like the ramp on the other side coming down.  at least I'd use one in training. 

I'm not familiar with the old long bite.  I think it's ok just like it is.  If i'm understanding you correctly you'd run out, then away, then turn and come back?

Bob...all aspects of what you say is fine with me....Attack out of blind...old style courage test....scaling wall...all fine with me! Three day trial would be great...wouldn't take much time...there would probably be plenty of PULLS!!!!

"Funny, 2 dogs added here, both GSD's.  Two more coming this summer, both GSD.

I think someone spends too much time reading the internet"

And where is here?

 The attack on the helper out of the blind is just that. When you watch how it is done today the helper steps out with immediate focus on the dog. The way it was originated was that the helper would run out of the blind with full attention focused on the handler with no que,s to the dog and the dog must intervene in the attack and thwart it with strong gripping.


The courage test started with the helper running away from the handler and dog and at some point the judge signals for the dog to be released and when the dog is 20 or 30 feet from the helper he would switch directions and run back at the dog.

 If they would pull they would not get there Sch1 and they would have to wait till the next regional trial. 

   

Hi Bob, You didn't ask me, but you are 100% EXACTLY right!  I would love it if we rolled back the schH rules, bringing  back those elements that were taken out, would be fine as frogs hair as far as I'm concerned.  I was stunned when the attack on the handler out of the blind was removed from the scH1.  Waht passes for it in the working test at shows is not the same at all, it's nothing.  I was told the reason the exercise was removed from schH1 was because they rolled back the age requirements so younger dogs could title, so then supposedly that exercise was too "stressful" on the younger dogs.  What a bunch of crap!  If a dog is too young to handle exercise then wait until it matures, deleting the exercise was just ass backwards.   I would very much welcome them bringing back that exercise, go back to the old courage test, add a vertical wall.  I especially like your suggestion that helpers work all dogs the same, that should go without saying, all the schH1s  should be worked the same, the 2s worked the same,  the 3s worked the same.  

 I guess what I,m getting at is let the prices fall where they may, as long as one knows that all the dogs that are titled equally had to pass a unbiased test to start I believe the SL vs WL debate would  decrease significantly and working together would be less abrasive to some.

 Lets actually do some thing that would help the breed, not continue to crutch it along as some do.
 

Keith, Keith Keith.....smiling,....seventy percent of the German Shepherds in Europe are SL. Sooooooooo if what you say is true about them going away from using GS, and 70% are SL????, this ain't hard to figure out. And the MAJORITY of the GS you DO see in these vocations to include SAR, is WL.  Hey Grandpop always tole me" Lies don't figure and figures don't lie!" It doesn't make a difference which perspective you look at it from, people who really care about the Breed, don't want to compromise working ability in a working dog. I like the color of Black and red personally, but to me a GS without swag and courage is not beautiful regardless of color or structure.

Gustav, Gustav, Gustav...I was speaking of service dogs used by PD's here in the states and here in Indianapolis, where we have one of the largest police canine sections in the country, I have seen a marked increase in the use of mals and especially dutchies by our PD.  I suspect the switch is as much a financial issue as anything but it is what it is.  It's been 25 years since I've lived in Germany so I really can't speak to what the Polizei are using these days.