Brindle Gsd! Did Not Think This Was Possible! - Page 3

 I,m mostly impressed with the pic of the dog chained to a big flat dirt pad where it has obviously been digging holes to lay in to cool off or just bored to death... I,d love to chaion the owner there for a couple days...

Had time on my hands this morning to read through this breeder's website. I am ill to my stomach now. not only are they producing what they are and proud of it there are things like if you dont come get your puppy by 5 weeks old you pay boarding until it is 8 or 9 weeks hmmm they offer shipping so how do you fly them out under 8 weeks old? I guess it's a mandatory boarding fee or does the breeder lie about age? So much so wrong here and no wonder no home address posted and you have to mail such specified payments to a po box lmao I can imagine the amount of people that would love to find this "breeder" and put them out of business.

   I am with who ever posted lets chain the breeder out in the conditions she keeps the dogs.

I just wanted to comment and say how weird it is that GSD's used to look like Dutch Shepherds...




As for that kennel... Not only is she breeding for alternate colors but she is exploiting mixed breeds of wolf hybrids, huskies, and German Shepherds. Her kennel looks like a puppy mill for "wolf" looking dogs whether mixed wtih wolf or not. 

If you want to breed for colors and what not thats fine because there are no laws preventing that and this is America after all.

But if what the above poster said is true about trying to get puppies to leave at 5 weeks. Then someone needs to report her. Not only is it illegal, but its highly dangerous to the puppies. The importance of staying with a mother and litter mates until 8 weeks of age to learn dog body language and social skills is priceless. And you can never take back the mistake of removing them from their mother at such a young age. 

Responsible and knowledgable breeders know how important this is and expose their puppies from day one until 8 weeks to all sorts of noises, feelings, environments, etc. so that the puppies have that much better of a chance at being bomb proof. To ignore how important that stage of life is and focus on trying to get them out as soon as possible so you can take care of the next litter of money is disgusting to me. 

That alone makes me loose all respect for the breeder. If this color game was done responsibly, then by all means. But that kennel and its practicies make me want to throw up. 

I once belonged to a yahoo group of doggy people and one of the girls who joined had gotten a dog from there. Not knowing it at the time, I asked about the dog's pedigree--it was a decent looking sable female and appeared to be German.  Well she sent me the sire's side but everytime I asked about the dam, she just ignored me.  So I find out from someone else where the puppy actually came from and she said the owner wouldn't tell me cause she was ashamed for me to know.  I thought well that's dumb so I went to the website and I was just shocked by what I saw.  I thought this person had a little more dog sense then to get mixed up with all that.  Back to the website the part that gets me is how she talks about her hubby being a cop and he knows working dogs.  Guess that is one of their selling points.  Bob I certainly agree cause I hate to see any dog on a chain...................And yep Newbie it is definately sickening.  I guess the problerm I personally have with breeding all those weird colors is this--rarely (note there are exceptions) do any of those colors come from reputable breeders with decent pedigrees.  How do I know this?  Because if a reputable breeder produced a blue, liver, piebald, etc., they would only place the puppy in a pet home with a strict spay/neuter agreement.  So basically they come from BYB with generations of dogs no one ever heard of mainly being bred because they wanted a puppy just like the parent or all their family wanted a puppy out of this " outstanding" parent or for money.  No health testing or great knowledge of the breed, vet checks, or any attention paid to structure and if they got these rare colors woohoo what a bonus. They sell their normal pups for 50-300 and maybe a " rare" colored one for 500.  I mean after all it is AKC registered.  That means definate quality right?  A person can take a dog from breeding like that, even if it is halfway decent conformation wise and has a decent temperament and test it for every test known to man and have nothing more then what they started with except a bunch of papers on the wall saying this dog doesn't have bad hips, elbows. dm, cardiac problems, etc etc., but without all that testing behind it you have nothing more then if you had gone to the shelter or through a rescue to get a dog.  And then to possible make it a foundation dog to build a line upon?  Sorry I just don't see it...............

Ok so it is obvious that someone can't read, as it says a boarding fee is charged AFTER 8 wks - NOT 5.  Take the time to read.  My puppies never leave until they are atleast 7 wks old (if they are not ready at 7 then they stay a week longer) and if they are not picked up by 8 wks (or agreed date) or special arrangements made you bet I will charge a boarding fee.  I am not into raising people's puppies for them, especially when they don't bother to contact me back until the puppy is 12 wks old. 

http://www.k9-pines.com/purchaseinfo.html   the link for those that are jumping on the wagon without knowing what it really says.

I put that on the website to keep people from thinking they can just drag their feet about getting the balance for me to ship the puppy or think I will just hold the puppy indefinently.  Again if you take the time to 'read' it says why the late fee is posted and it does NOT say 5 wks! Sheesh the crap some people do to attempt to fling crap.

I have no clue what you are talking about a dog on a chain. 
If you are refering to Iris being on a leather LEASH with a choke chain for a collar that is hooked to the picnic table:
http://www.k9-pines.com/germanshepherds_Iris.html  then you really need glasses.  I had just taken Iris for a walk by myself and wanted to get some pics of her so I looped the leash around the seat of the picnic table.    Digging to keep herself cool??? Sheesh someone is really reaching.  That pic was taken in January. 

Helga has had her DNA done, her mother and father have had their DNA done and Helga's father where the DNA came from has had his mother's DNA done.  The DNA for the 4th generation could not be obtained because the 3rd generation bitch had been imported.  I do not have access to her import documents her breeder etc... and if that bitch is now deceased it is probably safe to assume a dog and or bitch 4 generations back is now deceased since Helga is almost 4 herself.

I do not work with wolfdogs.  My dogs are all AKC registered and any time I have a puppy produced that is a questionable color or pattern or purchase a color of a questionable color or pattern I ALWAYS pursue DNA on the parents and in many cases also pursue to authenticate the color/pattern too.

I have no idea what the above comment is "They sell their normal pups for 50-300 and maybe a " rare" colored one for 500.

My prices start at 500 and go up.  The desperate to dredge crap up comments are really getting thick.

Now if you want to read real testimonials, feel free to read my guest book on the first page. 

Yes my husband is a Police Officer and we have MANY puppies in other LEO families including several Cheif's.  Why did they come to us?  Because they know they are going to get a reliable, healthy puppy and if a problem does arise it will be handled in the best interest of all involved. 

As for my piebald in the Avatar, that is Blackberry Pie.  She comes from a show and working pedigree.  Infact her grand-father is the only UKC blue/tan GSD Champion ever recorded.  IF you do not like her that is yet another personal opinion instead of discussing the color/patterns possible in the GSD gene pool.

One of my bitches is out of 2 AKC champions and she produces amazing blue's with my amazing UKC Champion grandson.  So I have some not all show and or working pedigree's that I use i

      How much editing was done in the long time between our posts and your rebuttal ;)
  
      I saw chains as well and I just had an eye exam and I do not wear glasses. It was not a table photo that is on the females page. The dog was on top of long term chained area with dig holes in the dirt.

      UKC gives championships to DQ dogs of our breed so I do not know what you hope to prove with that one.

      Selling to police families as pets is not the same as the way you imply your dogs are used in the police force working ;)

      Your health guarantee is laughable.

      
     Your dogs and breeding program are death to the breed IMO.

GSD Newbie, throwing down the BULLSH@T card. 

I have not updated my website since May 22.  And if you saw a dog on a chain either post the link, the picture or something to validate the claim.  You obviously were not on my website or got ripped off on your eye exam or even more importantly do need glasses.

I would much rather have a GSD that can be shown in UKC and title than to have a dog that is being shown in the AKC show ring today.  UKC is for real people that want to show their own dog and not buy their way to the title by paying top handlers.  Not to mention in UKC would never put up a dog that is built like AKC shown GSD as they see what todays judges and breeders in AKC have done to the GSD structurally.

Yet again, try as you may to come at me personally you can NOT refute genetics and the colors and patterns the GSD come in.

My health warranty is my business and has nothing to do with the colors the GSD come in.  Nor do how or who I place my dogs with.  I never said I placed dogs into working homes, although I have and will do so on a limited basis as the need for the puppy that is born arises. 

I am educated enough to know that the majority of PD's get their dogs from kennels that import and only buy older pups 9 to 11 months or lightly started dogs.  I place family companions with stable, less drivey, easily controlled, and more suited for family like temperaments to people that know the difference between a working GSD and a companion GSD (LEO families specifically).  My daughters fiance is a K9 at my husbands department.  His dog (malinios) was purchased from an importer kennel in PA, already lightly started.  For their home and my grand-daughter they have a female from my breeding. 

     Two people saw the same photo on your website and we both saw something that did not exist? LMAO!!!!

       No shade, dog on heavy chain, mud, dog living in it!

        Sell it to someone else lol

       Instead of a po box why don't you give a physical address? How many dogs are on property in your breeding programs? I took a look at just one photo site you own for your huskies all four pages of pups you sold to pet market with approx 50 pups to a page!!
 
        How many pups have you pumped out? How many of those are further being bred by people that know nothing about the gsd? Your coments about AKC are laughable as well. I see many propblems with AKC gsds and I do not care for them however they are doing something towards the breed and to say look at them to excuse your breeding is the typical response of a byb who does not give a damn about the breed only what they can make off of it.

      

I thought all of your pups start at 500?

http://www.oodle.com/seller/13282665/closed/