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by Firedist8 on 25 July 2011 - 05:07
It was a general statement. But just look at some kennels what they are selling. 6,7,8,9 year old females. "Proven Producer". Are you really going to keep breeding an 8 year old dog. I hope not. My point is this dog should be spayed and kept not just thrown to a stranger at an old age or put down.
by Ace952 on 25 July 2011 - 05:07
I am with Jeff on this.
I am getting a little tired of the terms "responsible breeder" & "reputable breeder". Those terms are so subjective it isn't even funny.
There are big name breeders that breed dogs and then sell them. What is wrong with that? Obviously if people want to buy their retired dogs then that means to me that they must be doing something right. Just b/c they sell the dog does it mean that it is no good. It may not fit into their breeding program but it could certainly fit into another breeders program.
You bred a dog twice and felt that was enough. Some could say "well maybe your dog wasn't valued enough to be bred more than that". Just making a point, nothing personal. Just because another breeder does it differently doesn't make them wrong and you right. Different breeding programs dictate what they need. Again what I may not need anymore (i have enough progeny) someone else may need for theirs. Some would consider it selfish if I spayed/neutered and kept people away from using to breed.
Like Jeff & Jenni said, do you have some examples? What does bred half to death mean? What do you actually know as a fact vs assuming?
If you are just looking at FOR SALE ads then this whole thread as worthless as we don't know crap except a listing. Who have you talked to? What have they said?
I am getting a little tired of the terms "responsible breeder" & "reputable breeder". Those terms are so subjective it isn't even funny.
There are big name breeders that breed dogs and then sell them. What is wrong with that? Obviously if people want to buy their retired dogs then that means to me that they must be doing something right. Just b/c they sell the dog does it mean that it is no good. It may not fit into their breeding program but it could certainly fit into another breeders program.
You bred a dog twice and felt that was enough. Some could say "well maybe your dog wasn't valued enough to be bred more than that". Just making a point, nothing personal. Just because another breeder does it differently doesn't make them wrong and you right. Different breeding programs dictate what they need. Again what I may not need anymore (i have enough progeny) someone else may need for theirs. Some would consider it selfish if I spayed/neutered and kept people away from using to breed.
Like Jeff & Jenni said, do you have some examples? What does bred half to death mean? What do you actually know as a fact vs assuming?
If you are just looking at FOR SALE ads then this whole thread as worthless as we don't know crap except a listing. Who have you talked to? What have they said?
by Firedist8 on 25 July 2011 - 05:07
What i am saying is if that dog bred for you there whole life, why not take care of them?
by brynjulf on 25 July 2011 - 14:07
Many breeders are not "getting rid" of a dog but retiring it. Placing it in a home where he or she can live out the rest of it's life as a pet. No longer a kennel dog. They feel it is deserving of a one dog home with a nice family. I don't breed dogs but I think it is really nice to find a dog a family it its golden years...JMO
by Jenni78 on 25 July 2011 - 15:07
What Ace and Brynjulf said is correct.
I also think it's LAUGHABLE and testament to the poor condition most pets are in to think of a dog as HALF DEAD at age 6! If my bitch is strong and healthy at 6, I'll breed her. Shoot me. I will most likely keep Capri until she dies; she's a great dog to just be around and she meshes just fine in my household.
However, if I was a bigger breeder and had several females, that would not be possible, as they simply don't all get along like peas and carrots, so what on Earth is wrong w/offering a retired brood bitch to a home where she can be a pet? Is it better to let her rot in her kennel because you have 6 others? I also don't think that just because a dog is older that it has no worth and should have to be given away. If someone wants to give the dog away, that's fine. And I think many breeders give them away for almost nothing, but many put prices on them to discourage the FREAKS you attract when something is free.
I would sell a 6yr old who I wasn't using. Price would reflect that she's not 2, but if it was a nice enough bitch that I used her for breeding, why should she be given away like she's some worthless mutt? There are many advantages to mature dogs for pets, and there are a lot of people who are quite willing to pay to avoid puppy stuff that they don't have time for or don't want to go through again.
I did see one ad for an 8yr old bitch as a brood bitch that I thought was a bit cold, but other than that, I haven't had the same feeling as the OP.
I also think it's LAUGHABLE and testament to the poor condition most pets are in to think of a dog as HALF DEAD at age 6! If my bitch is strong and healthy at 6, I'll breed her. Shoot me. I will most likely keep Capri until she dies; she's a great dog to just be around and she meshes just fine in my household.
However, if I was a bigger breeder and had several females, that would not be possible, as they simply don't all get along like peas and carrots, so what on Earth is wrong w/offering a retired brood bitch to a home where she can be a pet? Is it better to let her rot in her kennel because you have 6 others? I also don't think that just because a dog is older that it has no worth and should have to be given away. If someone wants to give the dog away, that's fine. And I think many breeders give them away for almost nothing, but many put prices on them to discourage the FREAKS you attract when something is free.
I would sell a 6yr old who I wasn't using. Price would reflect that she's not 2, but if it was a nice enough bitch that I used her for breeding, why should she be given away like she's some worthless mutt? There are many advantages to mature dogs for pets, and there are a lot of people who are quite willing to pay to avoid puppy stuff that they don't have time for or don't want to go through again.
I did see one ad for an 8yr old bitch as a brood bitch that I thought was a bit cold, but other than that, I haven't had the same feeling as the OP.
by vonissk on 25 July 2011 - 17:07
On the flip side of the coin, I adopted a retired brood bitch. She was a Czech dog with titles and a pedigree to die for, she had been previously bred to a couple of " name brand" top stud dogs and produced very nicely. She was also PP trained. In real life I could never afford a dog like that. So I was fortunate enough to be friends with her last owner and was able to get her for free. We bonded instantly and I loved her dearly. She didn't have to live out her life in a kennel, she was able to be a house dog and do her own thing. She loved to play ball, ride in the car and visit various businesses that allowed dogs and therefore get lots of hugs and treats. She developed cancer and was cared for and when the time came die with dignity. Nothing against the others that had her but she was able to die knowing she had been loved not for high scorces or producing puppies but for just being loved as she was--a grand old lady. And what's wrong with that? I think I got the best deal, getting a dog already trained in every way. Would I do it again? Yes I would. When the time comes when I am no longer able to raise puppies or no longer want to and only want one dog that is exactly what I will look for--another pupper that can be the most important champion--one of my heart.
by Ace952 on 25 July 2011 - 17:07
I think people feel like breeders are cold hearted and don't love their dogs which is true for some and not true for others. Everyon wants the nicest and best pup out of the best lines. Well to have that, some sacrifices are made as there is some collateral damage. Whether its a kennel or inside a home, as long as they are cared for properly that is all that matters. Anything else is icing on the cake.
Personally....when my dog life ends (which I hope isn't for a super long time), I hope its on the training field or or him doing some type of work.
by Gemini on 25 July 2011 - 19:07
I was reading a classified along these lines. It was for an older stud dog. They were advertising the dog for stud service and noted that they purchased him as a RETIRED STUD. Sounds like they Brett Favre'd this dog lol.
Reggie
Reggie
by Ace952 on 26 July 2011 - 01:07
LMAO@Brett Favre'd the dog!!!
by Jeff Oehlsen on 26 July 2011 - 03:07
Quote: A breeder should breed to make the breed better not for a profit then sell a dog just because it is no good for them any more. I am a Breeder i Bred my female at 2 and then at 4. She is now spayed and still lives in my home and sleeps in bed not in a concrete kennel! I must have hit a nerve Jeff!
No nerve, just if you bred a bitch twice in 4 years, you are considered a backyard/hobby breeder in my book. It takes some cash to build nice kennels and maybe someone out there would like to use a proven producer in their program.
And for the record, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, I just do not see any sort of dedication to producing a strain of dogs that have "your" stamp on them. To me, you are just having pups to have pups. What can you really do with that occasional breeding ? Then, if you really want to hear my opinion, did you sell them, or give them away ? At that pathetic rate, and the fact that you will never create anything that is really "yours" why even bother ? I have heard the old bullshit yarn about wanting another _________ so I bred for me, but c'mon. Like that really happens. So, really what you are doing is either making money off of the pups, and that is ok with me. I see all the bs lists about how much people spend and bla bla bla but those are one time costs, not EVERY STINKING LITTER, or how about you had to have 6 to 8 pups so that "you could have one". LOL
I am just busting your chops. There is an argument for everything under the sun. If someone wants to sell a bitch that they have used, and it really is a proven producer, ( and here is where I am serious) then what business is it of yours ?
No nerve, just if you bred a bitch twice in 4 years, you are considered a backyard/hobby breeder in my book. It takes some cash to build nice kennels and maybe someone out there would like to use a proven producer in their program.
And for the record, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, I just do not see any sort of dedication to producing a strain of dogs that have "your" stamp on them. To me, you are just having pups to have pups. What can you really do with that occasional breeding ? Then, if you really want to hear my opinion, did you sell them, or give them away ? At that pathetic rate, and the fact that you will never create anything that is really "yours" why even bother ? I have heard the old bullshit yarn about wanting another _________ so I bred for me, but c'mon. Like that really happens. So, really what you are doing is either making money off of the pups, and that is ok with me. I see all the bs lists about how much people spend and bla bla bla but those are one time costs, not EVERY STINKING LITTER, or how about you had to have 6 to 8 pups so that "you could have one". LOL
I am just busting your chops. There is an argument for everything under the sun. If someone wants to sell a bitch that they have used, and it really is a proven producer, ( and here is where I am serious) then what business is it of yours ?
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