not right kennel?? - Page 1

  bought a pup from jinipo kennel in czech republic. this litter is on jinipos litter page as well as alpine kennels.
the pup has a curled in ear , that i think is genetic. i hsve been discussing this with them.
 now i got the papers  3 days ago and this morning i was filling out the papers for akc and ,low and behold, i look at the name and it is not
IMO JIRKOVA DVORA  AND THE BREEDER IS NOT JINIPO.
THE PUPS NAME IS IMO OD ROUBENKY. AND THE BREEDER IS FISHER JAROSLAV.
 i am pissed off to the max. am pissed over the ear but this broke the camels back.
this is the kind of misrepersentation that is occuring when you import a pup.

IT IS NOT RIGHT AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!
when a kennel sells a pup that they did not breed they should put the kennel name that did.
 i am ,to say the least,disappointed at such actions vfrom a large breeder or breeders.
this will make the pup even harder to get rid of.

Wade, can you post pictures of the ear? Is it possible it's an injury? How old is the pup? Any chance it will straighten out?

Also, it's commonly known that Jinopo sells dogs bred by other people and I don't think it will affect your selling the pup in a negative way. I wouldn't worry too much about that aspect of it. I have seen many dogs sold that were imported as pups through Jinopo that didn't bear his kennel name.

Do you like the pup's temperament? I think there are many people who won't care so much about an imperfect ear on a really good pup, especially if it is an injury or congenital defect and not genetic.

Please post pics; you've got me very curious.

the ear is most likely not a problem - puppy ears go through all sorts of gyrations including curling as they try to harden up.  if it's still a problem when he's finished teething, an ear form glued in might help straighten it up.

I have no opinion about a breeder selling pups from another breeder - happens all the time.  But the buyer should be informed, don't you think?  To not inform the buyer who thinks the puppy is coming with the name of the breeder they are buying the pup from, is dishonest and shouldn't be something accepted as "right".

molly

This is Debbie...Hans gone for the day. Spoke to him on the phone and he will post more later. Bady, the stud, belongs to Jinopo. Female belongs to someone else. Therefore pups are registered in females kennel name. This happens all of the time. Most times the female has also come from Jinopo somewhere along the line.

As far as the ear goes if it is genetic we offer to replace the dog. Everything is discussed in our warranty in detail. Wade if I remember right reading some of the e-mails exchanged by you and Hans he has offered to go above and beyond the warranty, not even knowing for sure that the ear is genetic.



Thanks
Debbie  

My dog's ear was all sorts of funky until about 5 months of age when his premolars started coming in. He was VERY sturdy ears.

Jinopo is NOT a kennel it is a umbrella business that has many other kennels under they breed. Jipo-Me, z Jirkova Dvora, z Blatenskeho Zamku.

In Czech the breeders work tightly together and they dont see such an importance in the kennel name as US customers do for the re-sale purposes. If you asked for a breeding from a specific male or if you liked breeding that they did with their partners they will sell through their company. If you do not specify that you want a kennel name, they will give you desired breeding not thinking that is a problem. In their eyes it is not.

This does not excuse or says it is right it is only an explanation as how the kennels work together. Kennel name is just a registry in the Czech.
Anywa I hope it all works out for you 

Lol! Who gives a shit who bred the dog or what its kennel name is? I don't care if a dogs name is fluffy vom purple nurple. If it is a good dog and I actually liked the breeding enough to cough up $2000+, who cares if Norman Bates welped the litter? And aren't you the one that constantly promotes Hans Nd jiri?

Ask and ye shall receive. Debby's explanation makes perfect sense.

It's totally normal and common for breeders to use their stud in exchange for pups instead of stud fees or other arrangements in which the resulting puppies' kennel name is not the name name as the stud owner.In this case, w/Jinopo, I thought it was common knowledge that they often have outside litters and broker many dogs. 

Persnally, if I did this, I can see how it may be a forgotten detail if the buyer didn't ask specifically, as I may assume that if they knew the bitch wasn't mine, the pup wouldn't have my kennel name.  Not only that, but you add a language barrier in there and I would be much more willing to put my money on miscommunication than intentional deceit. I guess most/many people wouldn't consider the name to be of importance in a breeding. I concentrate so much on describing temperament to people, I may very well forget something like a registration name as an issue to be clarified.

I agree w/Molly on the ears. I've seen them take all sorts of bizarre shapes in their journey to standing up;-) 

I still want to see a picture of this pup!

 
I agree with Molly and Jenn

Many puppies ears especially ones with big feet and big ears, take up to 7-8 months even to fill out and stand firm.

The most you can do is leave them alone and do not let any vet touch them
give your pup lots of  knuckle bones (raw)

Raw meat has natural v C in it and do not let any other dog pull on ears of play rough.

The ears are the last to get needed calcium but do not give pills or supplements of calcium

Feed raw,   juice off of Mustard greens or turnips juice in the dogs food, anything with calcium in it.

I would not worry unless you see the ear is really deformed

was it curled when the pup arrived??

Please post a picture...I am sure Hans will do what he can..THe problem being now is

HOW long to get a new pup and what do you do with this fellow..IS it male or female..

I  aggree, the name is a concern..The reason being, so many misrepresentations can occur when importing.  Did you not know what sire and dam you bought a puppy from before you paid your money?????

You should always ask copies of paperwork , before you finalize any sale, to be faxed to you , including all Vet records and health papers ahead of time, not after you pay your money.

We have to do it here, so when you use a broker , they should also provide all facts upfront, without hesitation

YR

debs message and some of the others don't make sense nto me
the dog is 7 months old. his ear is notflopped it is curled inward from the head side. i will post a pic. my computer is out due to this storm and i had to come to a friends house to respond to debs above and beyond guarentee.
this is whart hans said his warrenty said. his don't matter as i bought the dog from jinipo but i expect they are the same.
send the dog back at my expense and get a new pup sent also at my expense. he asked what i wanted for the pup and i told him 2000 and he offered to try and help me sale him. who wants  dog with a curled in ear?? if it don't matter you can have him for a mere 2000. that was hans 'offer.
now the facts  about the name. i ordered the pup from jinipos litters. the bady x ussy litter. no wher does he state it is not his dogs which anyone would assume it is from the adverstment. who the hell is od roebunky? or something to that effect.that is the name on his regerstation. i bought a pup that waqs suppose to have had the jinipo kennel name. that is why i ordered this dog. his kennel name helps with the saLE OF DOGS.
now my point is , i have had severe health problems and need to sell all my dogs not just this one. i was deceived and anyone that don't see this is blind to the facts.
thay should have been open and upfront and said we did't breed this dog and we got a pick from the litter. do you want this pup?? it is wrong to adverstize a product as your and it not be.
becAUSE I BREED FARGO TO A FEMALE DOES'T MEAN THAT BREESDING IS MINE. IT IS AS DEB SAID THE KENNEL THAT HAS THE PUPS AND DOES THE BREEDING.
AGAIN, I DID NOT BUY A PUP FROM OD ROEBU8NKY OR WHATEVER.
I WAS GOINGTO LET THE EAR AND ALL GO AS I HAD UP TO THIS POINT NOT MENTIONED ANY NAMES ON ANY FORUM. WHEN I STARTED TO REGERSTER HIM WITH THE AKC AND SEEN THE NAME I WENT OFF THE DEEP END . I THINK MOST OF YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE TRUTHFUL.

WADE  HATFIELD       P.S.      I WILL NOT ARGUE OR ANYTHING ELSE. I AM SELLING OUT AND IT IS NOT WORTH ARGUING OVER. MY INTENT IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW EASY WE CAN BE MISLED. I REALLY TRUSTED THESE FOLKS TO. BOY WAS I WRONG.

JEN, THIS IS FOR YOU AND THE OTHER S. IF YOU SELL A DOG FROM YOUR KENNEL OR KENNELS AND DON'T LET THE PERSON KNOW AND LET THEM THINK IT IS FROM YOUR BREEDING<(AS I DID) THEN YOU ARE COMMITING FRAUD. I DID NOT USE HANES AS A BROKER. HE VOLUNTERRED TO DO IT.HIS NAME WQAS ALSO NEVER NOTHING BUT IMO.