32 month old Oversize Male - Page 5

"Let's take a careful look here; who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom."

"But please don't judge me about my mental decisions whether is wise or unwise - as long as I don't brake a law."

That's right. Stop judging Shtal. HE is the only one qualified to judge who is wise and understanding, because he has the gentleness of wisdom and you and I don't. Because Shtal said so.

"But please don't judge me about my mental decisions whether is wise or unwise - as long as I don't brake a law."

Mental is right, maybe it's a good thing Sthal is breeding dogs and not with people.
 

Shtal,  Your posts go back for some time and it's apparant you were going to breed that pup since he was 8 weeks old no matter what anybody said.  I'm a GSD novice and most folks on PDB adhere to the strict standard of the breed so most responses to you are going to be negative.  This should be of no surprise to you.    Breeding to type takes time.  One litter will not produce the desired effect.  Several generations of strict selection is required.  I know this from breeding racing pigeons.  I've been breeding pigeons for 15 years and I constantly linebreed and outcross to improve my stock.  If my outcross doesn't produce the desired trait I bring in a new bloodline to cross with so I can lose time, sometimes years.  Understanding this, if I wanted to breed GSD's there are plenty of breed worthy fully mature dogs out there to purchase that are within the standard so prior selection has been done for me.  First thing I would do if I were you is remove the experimental mindset.  I hope this makes sense and good luck.
Turk.           
 

 "I always respect the breed standard which was made by the people, and I respect many breeders who make wise decisions about this breed.

But please don't judge me about my mental decisions whether is wise or unwise - as long as I don't brake a law."


I'm relatively new to this board still but not to GSDs. Could you please explain WHY exactly you chose to breed this dog? What has/could he have brought to the breed? What was the advantage to the breed in allowing him to sire a litter? If he has problems later in life because of his size, areyo prepared for this? Are you happy to take back his pups at any time if they have health issues because of their size? Would you consider yourself to be an ethicasl breeder? If so they why? If not then why?
I still don't understand WHY anyone would breed with such a dog. I certainly do't accept that it was some sort of experiment. Why on earth would anyone want to put dogs potentially through certain health issues, shortened life span etc just to see what they would turn out like? I'm having trouble believing that someone/anyone could be so inconsiderate, selish, childish and downright arrogant.
It seems very much as though you will do what YOU want, when YOU want to do it and sod everyone else!

The above quote is from one of your posts. Could you please explain HOW exactly you have considered and respected the breed standard in having this litter? Please explain the part about size - how have you tried to ensure the pups are within the range of height sizes.

Furthermore, from what I've read so far in this thread, the only person who has judged others on their mental decisions is yourself. Surely if you post such a thread on an open forum you can expect questions and comments that you don't agree with or don't like. Telling people they are unwise but not to judge you is hypocritical at best.

Incoming Bible Barrage in 3,2,1...

I don’t have to explain; I was here to share my story!
But as regarding the wisdom I mention to you people; let me explain something.
When you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and {so} lie and then pretend you are nice/wise people on this forum trying to help others, this is not a true wisdom – but such wisdom that you have is earthly, natural, demonic. Remember that jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing; people pretend to be wise and helpful on this board but yet are not. The true wisdom is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. But remember - the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. Just because I have an oversize male and I decide what I want to do with him - does not give you the right to be rude to me and then you guys pretend we are fighting for the truth of German shepherd what the standard was and is.

No one here is jealous of either you or your substandard breeding program, LOL!

No shtal, no one should be short with, or rude to you. In fact, the more accepting the atmosphere around here the better. This. Is as good a place as I can think of for people to come and learn and explore this breed. That said, I don't think the question is whether or not you have the "right" to breed your dog. What is in question is whether or not you ought to in the best interest of the breed. We do not have to attack or question the conformation of your male in order to advise you that you should not breed him. Example, I own a n absolutely gorgeous make GSD that is arguably the genetic superior to yours. However, it would be irresponsible of me as a champion of the GSD to breed him based on my own opinion of him, how much I love him, how beautiful he his, etc. The facts this: his offspring would be prone to hip dysplasia and seizures, the traits that mak im a GSD are in short supply because of his dams pedigree, and he and his littermates are all too large (Achilles is around 110 lbs or so. Contrary to what your opinion may be, this is not ideal. I do all I can to keep him lean and healthy, but that is a lot of meat for him to throw around the way he enjoys to work and play. The "right" is yours to do what you wish, but the "right" thing is not always the right thing. Please, at least learn a little more before you make your descision.

 "Incoming Bible Barrage in 3,2,1..." @ DonaldDeluxe - well said. About as accurate a post as any I've seen. So well timed too! LOL!

Schtal - you are assuming that people are being rude to you because they don't agree with you. Nobody has said you dn't have the right to do what you will with your dog. You've been asked questions by most, including yourself. I have asked you to say WHY you have bred your dog, amongst other questions. if you're not prepared to answer any questions about your posts then why bother to pot at all.

The only arrogant person here is you. You think you know everyting - you do not. You think you should have bred your dog. You should not. You think you can insult people here because you don't like their opinions or questions. You should not. And the list goes on.

I have already said I didn't understand you initially and that's why I have asked questions. To accuse people of being rude, insulting, etc because of that is ridiculous at best.

I take it you live in the US? The reason being most nut jobs over here are not allowed PC access.

Maybe you should rehome your dog(s). They'd certainly be better cared for by someone who realises they should NOT be bred from. You don't need to answer all of my questions as it happens. You have already managed to prove you are NOT an ethical breeder. You have NOT bred your dog to bring something to the breed. You do NOT have your dog's best interests at heart. I hope the pups from this unplanned, experimental, irrelevant litter are kept in their pet homes for the whole duration of their lives. After all, no doubt should any be returned you would breed them also to continue your experiment.

Just as well they're not children really isn't it. They'd have bene taken into care as soon as they were born.

I think you should grow up tbh. To insult others because you don't like their comments, particularly when you post such controversial rubbish is silly. Even my 7 year old doesn't do things like this because he has been raised with manners, respect for himself and others, common courtesy - all commodities far too expensive for yourself!

Should you choose to reply, please leave the bible bashing out of it.People are concerned for the breed and your dogs. Religion doesn't come into it.

Carlin and Stumywop, what you guys don't understand, because you are Newbies, is that for most of the 32 months of this male's life, Shtal has been here rationalizing and self aggrandizing based on his dog's size and his own superior intellect. We have been telling him for at least two years that he should not include that dog in his breeding program for the obvious reasons. But Shtal knows better than anyone, and Shtal learns NOTHING from being here reading insightful posts by intelligent and experienced breeders. Shtal is only here to 1) get attention, 2) annoy people, and 3) of late, quote the bible. He has only been doing the bible bit recently. Musta gotten saved fairy recently. Note that he already knows EVERYTHING about religion. 

You need to remember: you CANNOT. EDUCATE. SHTAL.

And you cannot be polite to him because if you are, he will sneer and look down at you [trust me, I tried it]. He is SUPERIOR. He knows EVERYTHING.

Religion has not taught him any humility, that's for sure. And that is why people get rude with him. He's not just another guy; he's SUPERDUDE who knows all, and those of us who breed ordinary (meaning per the standard) GSDs are all idiots.