First pick in the litter cost $10,000 US dollars - Page 7

Bob, what makes you say (from the pedigree) that these puppies aren't bred for working ability won't be able to work?

 I did,nt say they would not work.

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 "genetically will have a at best lower then average grip and the working ability questionable at best"


 There not bred to be workers just look at the pedigree. There bred to be show dog,s.


 Just by looking at these 2 pedigree which one would you think has the better chance of producing solid GSD,s bred to the standard to work and remember this is a working breed.




http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=445826 
 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/para.utkoma?fadir=482525&modir=705161 


If your honest, what is your opinion?

 


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Here is my VA1 Ober von Bad Boll pick of the litter.  This picture I took with my phone today.

I really don't know how to read a pedigree very well. I know the basics and that is it. That is why I was asking. Hope my question didn't come off as being flippant (I know a lot of people on here are that way). I really was trying to ask because it looks like most of the dogs on the pedigree are SChH titled, many of which are SCHH3 titled. I would think a dog coming from parents/ancestors titled SchH2/3 would mean they have proven they can work and bite? I see there are a lot of VA in the titles but seems to me with all the SchH they can work also? That is why I was asking why you think they may have a weakness in bite and workability. Please don't beat me up too bad if there is something I am clearly missing. I am just trying to learn. Something tells me I am going to regret posting this

I agree, they're totally bred for show. Don't get me wrong, they're beautiful dogs, but a $10,000 puppy is ridiculous. I found a great WL pup today who has an outstanding pedigree for $900.

LOL this is a joke correct. Bob Eliot is a looker isn't he and seems to produce very good working dogs and when bred to a really hard aggressive bitch he seems to really shine. You would easier to find an honest politician than a pup that would work from the $10,000 dogs pedigree thats for sure

Bob, While I find the question you pose intriguing and fun to consider, I also think your question isn't really 100% fair. The way you say work seems like you are saying work must include a bite. If that is the top requirement of what all a GSD is supposed to be, then yes, the WL ped seems to have those dogs everyone talks about with crazy prey drive. 

 

The SL pedigree, has dogs in it that I have heard talked have respectable bites,  but perhaps the level is not on par with the WL pedigree whose purpose is a biting sport. I think honestly, though, most people can't or don't have the experience to direct that drive of the WL ped, and would be quite happy with a dog from the SL pedigree that are within the standard of what a GSD should be, if not necessarily what I would call, an acceptable extreme.

I really don't know enough about the finer points and degrees of all the angles in the GSD conformation, I can just say what I prefer and what appears to be pleasing proportions. I actually don't care for some of the SL heads in the example, they seem too blocky too me, and jowly. Go further back in the SL ped, and I become quite happy. 

 

Please keep in mind this is just my beginner take on these peds, I don't know nuthin' either, so we shall see who regrets posting more, EchoEcho, or me, LOL

 Echo:

             No offense taken. You must remember this is all opinion driven. I like working dogs to be working dogs. The rub here would be what your opinion of "working" is. I like breeding that show a good working temperament solid in nerve and body as close to unshakable as possible.

A dog with the attitude that life is a challenge and is self confident.  Occam,s razor says it best. All things being equal the simplest answer is most often the correct one, the dog,s in the pedigree first listed are not bred with working drives as the strongest incentive for the breeding they are show line dogs. That doesn't,t mean you won,t get dogs that can,t work but they will be the exception not the rule.


 Everyone likes what they like and if everyone just liked vanilla ice cream life would be very boring.



 
   
  

 Beetree:

              No one should ever regret posting a opinion or thought.  I do some times wonder why when people talk of workingline dogs the "crazy drive" issue is brought about I,ve had several dogs with great working drives and all are approachable and live in my home and others.


 Working,In my opinion I have dogs that I,ve breed doing police work,search and rescue,service dogs for the handicapped. ect work that puts them in the public venue and can cause stress. I would love to have some of my dogs herding instinct,s assessed.   

Well, this is just one for instance, IMHO...it is like what Ace is going through right now with his pup, he complains how much he just wants to pet the pup, but it is impossible because the pup just wants to bite his hands. The puppyhood is just so much different, between the lines, in my admittedly limited experience.