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by Nans gsd on 10 January 2012 - 21:01
And what would you do with her puppies? Keep them ALL?
by ggturner on 10 January 2012 - 21:01
Do NOT breed her! Never consider breeding a dog, any dog, gsd or otherwise to a wolf or a wolf hybrid!
by freecalkid on 10 January 2012 - 21:01
I am by no means knowledgable about the GSD breed standards. I have had many rescues who lived long happy lives, but not dogs that should be seen as breedable.. mixtures are all around... and they are good dogs, but this is Pedigree Database and a very serious pedigree protection group. I totally support it even though I have always just had the ones that were sent to shelters because they weren't trained... and weren't of good quality pedigree... people don't understand what pedigree means for the most part and this is why I am on this site... to learn.
My son rescued a Wolf-hybrid (GSD) mix - at 6 weeks old - and that's what they are... mixes! Why not breed with a labrodor retreiver to get the same labrodor qualities. Any cross breeds are risky ... even the pure breeding is risky... I own a GSD dwarf that I will keep healthy and alive as long as I can until I see it is not in his best interest... many health issues and physical deformities...but I will care for him.. this "cull" of the breed. His parents were pure but unfortunately not so pure that they didn't have a recessive gene that produced dwarfs. It happens.
Back to my son's Wolf-hybrid. He has spent thousands of dollars to keep the dog alive - the only one left of the 13 puppies of the litter. He has pancreatic and skin issues you don't want to imagine. He is a gentle giant who lives in a house all day because he is allergic to grass. He goes for a walk on a leash because he "loves" dogs and needs socialization but everyone in the neighborhood is afraid of him and run for cover just at the sight of him.. but he is a gentle giant, truly.
This is not the life he deserves and if my son didn't have the money to spend and the faithfulness to stick with it he wouldn't be now 13 years old. But his life has not been one of quality. People are afraid of him... his health is terrible... he takes constant medications and is in the vet hospital periodically.. no, my son will not get another one.. too heartbreaking and expensive for him to go through again. He'll become a GSDx rescuer like me - we train them, love them, and give them a wonderful home. I couldn't do justice to a "pure" GSD at my age... I know my limitations.
You need to think about what you are creating before you go have this fling with breeding. It is highly dangerous and if you think all those wonderful homes out there are going to take your puppies, check the shelters in a year and see where they end up - very few people know how to handle a Wolf-hybrid and protect them from laws and frightened neighbors, to say nothing of spending the money required. Good luck... and I really hope you don't do it.
My son rescued a Wolf-hybrid (GSD) mix - at 6 weeks old - and that's what they are... mixes! Why not breed with a labrodor retreiver to get the same labrodor qualities. Any cross breeds are risky ... even the pure breeding is risky... I own a GSD dwarf that I will keep healthy and alive as long as I can until I see it is not in his best interest... many health issues and physical deformities...but I will care for him.. this "cull" of the breed. His parents were pure but unfortunately not so pure that they didn't have a recessive gene that produced dwarfs. It happens.
Back to my son's Wolf-hybrid. He has spent thousands of dollars to keep the dog alive - the only one left of the 13 puppies of the litter. He has pancreatic and skin issues you don't want to imagine. He is a gentle giant who lives in a house all day because he is allergic to grass. He goes for a walk on a leash because he "loves" dogs and needs socialization but everyone in the neighborhood is afraid of him and run for cover just at the sight of him.. but he is a gentle giant, truly.
This is not the life he deserves and if my son didn't have the money to spend and the faithfulness to stick with it he wouldn't be now 13 years old. But his life has not been one of quality. People are afraid of him... his health is terrible... he takes constant medications and is in the vet hospital periodically.. no, my son will not get another one.. too heartbreaking and expensive for him to go through again. He'll become a GSDx rescuer like me - we train them, love them, and give them a wonderful home. I couldn't do justice to a "pure" GSD at my age... I know my limitations.
You need to think about what you are creating before you go have this fling with breeding. It is highly dangerous and if you think all those wonderful homes out there are going to take your puppies, check the shelters in a year and see where they end up - very few people know how to handle a Wolf-hybrid and protect them from laws and frightened neighbors, to say nothing of spending the money required. Good luck... and I really hope you don't do it.
by Judy P on 10 January 2012 - 21:01
Please read and reread all of these posts and do not breed her.
by starrchar on 10 January 2012 - 21:01
"I am aware of the irresponsiblity that has diminished the quality and health of the German Shepherd"
Yes, there are many irresponsible breeders out there, but there are also some very conscientious, respectable, responsible breeders who breed quality dogs. They breed to the standard, do all the necessary health testing and temperament testing, have their dogs breed surveyed and get them titled.
"and I don't want to contribute to the desecration of the breed. "
By breeding your female to a wolf or wolf-hybrid you will be doing exactly that.
Please heed the good advice you have gotten on this thread. It is obvious you love your dog and that is wonderful, so try to just enjoy her.
Yes, there are many irresponsible breeders out there, but there are also some very conscientious, respectable, responsible breeders who breed quality dogs. They breed to the standard, do all the necessary health testing and temperament testing, have their dogs breed surveyed and get them titled.
"and I don't want to contribute to the desecration of the breed. "
By breeding your female to a wolf or wolf-hybrid you will be doing exactly that.
Please heed the good advice you have gotten on this thread. It is obvious you love your dog and that is wonderful, so try to just enjoy her.
by Ryanhaus on 10 January 2012 - 22:01
Two red flags to me...
My baby girl is about to turn two and I'm considering breeding her.
And although I've worked basic obedience with her on my own, I haven't had her in any formal training yet.
The wolf you are thinking about mating your girl with is far from being considered baby-like.
No formal obedience yet for a 2 year old GSD...hummm ..and she's a bit shy....
boy that just doesn't make any sense...
I somehow feel this is a mad up story, it is going in a bad direction...
Anyway, if it's a real post,
Good Luck with training an independent stubborn wolf child....
My baby girl is about to turn two and I'm considering breeding her.
And although I've worked basic obedience with her on my own, I haven't had her in any formal training yet.
The wolf you are thinking about mating your girl with is far from being considered baby-like.
No formal obedience yet for a 2 year old GSD...hummm ..and she's a bit shy....
boy that just doesn't make any sense...
I somehow feel this is a mad up story, it is going in a bad direction...
Anyway, if it's a real post,
Good Luck with training an independent stubborn wolf child....
by Rik on 10 January 2012 - 22:01
well, you're not going to build a better GSD and certainly not a better wolf. You might be able to put back a little cash for Christmas.
by wolflady on 10 January 2012 - 22:01
15 Years ago I purchased a wolf hybrid. She was well socialized. She was wonderful until she got older and one day a young boy place his hand on her back and she lunged up towards his face and took the childs eye out. She had been around children and never showed any aggression. I later learned the older they get the more there natural instincts show. She was only 5. Law suits, an injured child and law enforcement taking my wolf hybrid was enough to make me understand the importance of keeping the wolf wild and not breeding to create hybrids. Did I mention I also lost my homeowners insurance and was unable to own a dog for years after that or lose the homeowners insurance I finally was able to aquire with much difficulties. Through all this my main concern was the young boy who nearly lost his sight all because some idiot breeder sold me a wolf hybrid and had this hybrid making a wonderful loyal pet. I would not consider purchasing a wolf hybrid and especially would not promote breeding a hybrid. Certainly unpredictable!
by Rik on 10 January 2012 - 23:01
wolflady, thank you for a very honest first hand account.
by windwalker18 on 10 January 2012 - 23:01
All other issues asside.. (breeding to wolf or hybred) I would also question breeding your dog at all due to shy tendencies... as others have said, it's almost certainly genetic, or a combo of genetics and upbringing. ANY question of instability of temperament should not be bred to a Wolf or Hybred... Even if you're a supporter of hybred breedings.
Take a look at all the Shepherds Beautiful temperament, and structure who are currently in rescues or shelters on their way to euthanasia... While I don't call for a complete halt to breeding as some people do I would recommend extreme restraint in breeding. My boy is "Drop dead georgous" and 100% mentally sound, but as I'm not going to be titling him to prove his worth we are choosing to have him altered soon. As deeply as you love your gal, don't feel that you'll never find another like her as a reason for breeding her. There are litterally thousands out there being destroyed every day.
Good luck with your sweetie.
Take a look at all the Shepherds Beautiful temperament, and structure who are currently in rescues or shelters on their way to euthanasia... While I don't call for a complete halt to breeding as some people do I would recommend extreme restraint in breeding. My boy is "Drop dead georgous" and 100% mentally sound, but as I'm not going to be titling him to prove his worth we are choosing to have him altered soon. As deeply as you love your gal, don't feel that you'll never find another like her as a reason for breeding her. There are litterally thousands out there being destroyed every day.
Good luck with your sweetie.
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