German Shepherd/Wolf-Shepherd breeding - Page 7

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Every breed techincally is a mixed breed. You can be mad all you want that youre not getting support for breeding your dog to a wolf hybrid. Youre not creating or recreating a breed. Youre creating mixed dogs with undoubtably inherint temperment issues.

anyone been to one of those wolf parks where they have a lot of wolves? they are nothing like our gsds ... when u hear them speak its shocking really wierd they are beautiful animals but crazy how diff they are from our dogs because they are what created our dogs like 13 thousand years ago or so. ANyways i would not want ot keep one in my house or as a pet you would have to change ur whole life for one they belong in the wild and when u cross them with a dog thats just wrong i think you get a big mess. If people want a wolf like dog you can just get a shepherd mixed with some kind of husky at a resecue or something no need to go wild. Also i have ran into wolves walking in the woods while hiking with my dog she does not react to wolves the same way she reacts to dogs she looks at wolves like strange wierd animals she looks at dogs like the same species.

So now you have changed you tune (or clarified) and you want to create another breed? Have you ever even whelped a litter? You are the reason why I have so many dogs in rescue. Everyone believes they have the most perfect wonderful dog that needs to be bred with their neighbors most cute dog (in this case it is substitute cute for wolf hybrid). Sometimes I think we are all still living in 1960 where our kids need to see the miracle of birth so we are going to let our dog have puppies. I have a headache. 

 Just wanted to say I've had three wolf hybrids in the past. If you live in the middle of the woods like I did at the time you couldn't ask for anything better. But they are not good in society. They can be extremely dangerous around other people. They don't trust anyone except the one who raised them there for everyone else is a threat that will be dealt with in there mind. The ones I had would not bark a warning or very rarely even growl one they will just attack.
  Would also ad that all three were rescued, if I wouldn't have taken them in they would have been killed. these were all under 6 months old and already hard for the people who had them to manage in a household.
  So unless you live 50 miles away from your closest neighbor not a good idea. I had a lot of awesome experiences with these animals  but could never have them around others.
 I could go on and on but will leave with one last example and probably the worst thing that happened. A Chow dog came around and to this day I don't no where it came from but my female seen him and took after him she ran up along side him grabbed his back leg tripped him up and grabbed his throat and it  was all over before I could get down the back porch. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CREATE THIS FOR THE REST OF US!

Alright, so you think this is a good idea? I will play devil's advocate.

Why were these wolves introduced into the breed in the first place?
What traits did v.S look for in these wolves?
What type of dogs did he breed these wolves too?
What did he feel these crosses would do to enhance the breed?

Do you know the typical temperment of wolves?
Do you plan to "screen" possible mates for your bitch? How?
How can you ensure that possible mates are even suitable for breeding?
How will you certify their hips/elbows/other genetic testing?
Do you know genetics well enough to know how possible offspring could be effected?

How do you plan to ensure your bitch is suitable for breeding?
Do you plan to get her show rated? SchH rated? Breed tested? Temperment tested? etc?
Do you plan to get her hips/elbows and other health certifications?
What will you do if she fails?
Do you believe you have the neccessary time to do all of that "formal" training, trialing, testing, etc? Not to mention the money involved?

As for possible future hybrid offspring, do you have homes lined up?
Will you keep any of these offspring back?
Do these homes have what it takes to handle a potentially unstable, typical wolf-tempermented, stubborn offspring?
What would you require of future handlers?
Would they have to sign contracts?
What would you do if one of these pups bites someone, kills someone or someones other pet/child/etc, and a lawsuit arose?
What if these handlers decided it was too much, and needed to get rid of the hybrid? Would you take it back, or let it be sent to it's death at a shelter?
What do you plan to do with any pups you keep for yourself?
Would you continue this "line" by breeding to GSD's?
What would happen with future generations?
How would you get them accepted into the GSD world, since that seems to be your goal - the "betterment of the breed by mixing"?
What training would you do? SchH?
Do you have a club that would accept these dogs?
Would you get them temperment/health tested? How?
What would you look for in future GSD mates for your hybrid offspring? Wouldn't your line just be diluted again?

All of these questions, I believe should be thought about - and seriously. You should have answers and facts to support those answers when considering a breeding like this.

Now if you want my personal opinion - don't do it. There are plenty of GSD's out there that have loads of courage, loyalty, etc. etc. that you could use instead - that WOULD improve your GSD, and make  stable, predictable offspring who you could trust through-and-through in any kind of situation. Food for thought, anyway.

If your goal is to recreate the perfect GSD, then you would be far better off selecting specimens from the existing pool of dogs. I can't understand why anyone would consider doing what you propose. I will be blunt, it's a retarded idea.

this is actually entertaining.... and surprisingly civil...

LadyFrost
I was thinking the very same thing..

Well, without showing disrespect to those of opposing opinions, it is a known fact that this has been practiced throughout the history of the German Shepherd, including being at the very heart of the inception of this said breed.
For over 125 years, professional dog breeders have seen the utter value and benefit of breeding these 2 canine species. The wolf brings strength and longetivity to this breeding process, and we would not have the German Shepherd today if not for those who had true vision and daring. Please do refer to Captain Stephanitz's work along these lines, and personal testimony of his preferred canine companion before the turn of the 20th century.
  To capsulize, the original Rin Tin Tin was in fact, a direct descendant of one of the first actual offspring of this collaboration of Wolf and dog. He was an Alsatian Wolfdog, otherwise known as today's German Shepherd. He epitomized canine loyalty, fearlessness in the face of danger for his human, and unquestionable majestic beauty.
  I respect this question posed, and feel that it should be dealt with in a mature, unbiased and knowledgeable way. There is actually a wealth of knowledge concerning this subject and unequivocal proof of this particular practice.
  There are age old mythical perceptions of the Canis Lupus, or Wolf, and it would truly behoove us to go beyond that to attain a deeper understanding of who this animal is, and why it is so utterly important now to de-myth him. True, he is not a circus animal en potencia, but one of profound intelligence, feeling, and capacity.