Looking for a European German Shepherd excellant breeder. Bullinger Shepherds? - Page 4

 YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYONE ALL OF THE TIME

  and you cannot all the time please everyone.

 I love GM products, my deceased husbands family loved FORDS< we worked on all of them, and I know all the faults of most auto makers, but just know that all of them have some faults but you will never change my mind on buying anything but a Gm OR  a Chevy product.

Same thing in buying dogs, pups and wanting the quality first, and the reputation going with it.


 Does not GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, DODGE, VW, HONDA , ETC  all have reputations. DO not all of them produce some crap once in a while...we call them Lemons>>>>>

 but  THEY  didn't fold up because they happen to produce a faulty produce along the way..Breeders have faults too...

GO visit Bullinger..

Answers come by Personal TOUCH< FEEL>SIGHT.....

Gossip and rumours are a dime a dozen.

YR

 Just asking a question,
 
Do any of the people endorsing the virtues and integrity of this breeder actually own, or have purchased one of their dogs?
 
Simply asking a question from the PDB folks who post here regularly.
 
How many times have you folks repeatedly said- Do Your Research?
 
Should a person, who is trying to research a reputable Breeder (any Breeder) take the word of people who endorse a Breeders quality of dog and integrity. When in fact, they have never purchased a dog from the Breeder they are endorsing?
 
If in fact you have never purchased a dog from a Breeder you endorse then you are merely repeating “Hearsay”
 
Hearsay;is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.
 
 
Again, I’m just asking a simple and reasonable question.


Kim

So you own a dog from Bullinger then Kim?

Aceofspades-

No, I don't own one of this Breeders dogs, why would I? Everyone here knows who I am.



 I have (in fact) met and know people who have purchased dogs from this breeder.

Have you or do you own one of this Breeders dogs?

And, for the record I am only repeating the famous words of the PDB -  Do your Research

Has Yellow Rose ever been to Canada? Or seen any of this Breeders dogs or any of the other Breeders dogs she endorses?

Research, the famous words used on this forum every day!



Kim

I don't personally own a Bullinger. I know people who do and are happy and I spoke with Tracy at length over the course of months when looking in 2009. We ended up finding a dog (two actually) that were more to our liking with different breeders. I agree. Definitely research. Here is the thing. When you "research" Bullinger here is what you find. You find accolades or you find people like you who are dancing around but not saying anything. I am able to find pages and pages of accolades to every forum post that says "all that glitters is not gold" I feel like it is no different than me saying I boycott Tim Hortons (similar to Dunkin Donuts) because they never make my coffee correct and their service is terrible. Iran how hard is it to put one sugar two cream in a coffee, but no, I end up with a double double every.single.time. I can tell everyone who will listen but apparently my order is the only one that is screwed up out of the ten thousand coffees a day that they serve. I am not a happy customer but the other 9000+ they serve daily clearly are because they keep going back. I don't expect anyone, no matter who they are, to please everyone 100% of the time. How long has Tracy been breeding? How many puppies has she sold? My guess is that the overall percentage of unhappy buyers is very small

 Aceofspades-

Again- Just for the record, I'm just asking simple questions that any “new prospective” dog owner should ask/be encouraged to ask.
 
I have no issues with any person or breeder, a question was asked and I have merely offered my “factual concerns and observations.”
 

I can and will, responsibly and politely answer to anything I post on this forum.
 
I am;
 
Mr. Kim Moore
K9 Pirates Lair
Chilliwack B.C.
 
 
 May I respectively ask who you really are? And where you live?

If you wish to respond privately, I’ll save you some time, my e-mail address is kimmoore1@shaw.ca

I am not  a Lawyer.......but I know people who are, and I heard, that they heard from other people that they are happy in their job! And are really good at it and make all their clients broke!

And...they said the following.... 

 
Any person(s) who endorse the integrity of a Breeder/Handler/Trainer and or the quality; of the Breeder/Handler/Trainers dog(s) on this International Forum, should be aware of/and prepared to accept legal/civil/criminal responsibilty for their “written/internet based endorcement” and be prepared to financially compensate anyone who makes a decision to purchase a dog or services based on that person(s) representation of the same.
                                                                                                                                            –Case Law

Just saying.......Be careful

PDB Gospel- Research




Mr. Kim Moore

@ Aceofspades.....Your reading comphrehension is very good!!! That was exactly what I was saying, as that was the challenge to her breeding program. Thanks!
I won't dignify the distortion.
The subject wasn't about one or two litter breeders and so has nothing to do with the quality of Bullinger GS. The bulk of poorly bred dogs actually come from small breeders as there are so many more of them that just put two dogs they purchased together. But that's another subject. My point is the quality,(genetics) of the dogs is going to live with the purchaser, as opposed to the conditions of the breeding program.....Word

Is this another workinglines vs showlines issue?

Not referring to  you, Gustav.

I've never been to Bullinger kennels, never spoken to Tracey.  BUT I will say that a large breeding kennel CAN absolutely be a BETTER breeding kennel than small kennels! 
In the past I've worked for several kennels, mostly small ones.  But I had the honor of working at one very large kennel that also whelped around 100 puppies a year.  This large breeding program is one of the best in world in their breed.  The kennel itself is spectacular too, better looking than most peoples' homes. 

I'm personally a small breeder, it's been almost 2 yrs since I've raised a litter.  In 18+ years of owning GSDs I've only had 3 litters.  So, after seeing first hand the daily operations of small breeders, large breeder and my own breedings I can say that I absolutely believe that a large breeder is in a much better position to do more good for a breed than small breeders. 

A good large breeder can do more for the breed than a good small breeder. 

A good large breeder is in a much better position to select the best breeding dogs.  Whereas the small breeder is usually stuck with what they have.  Just because a dog passes health tests and earns titles does not mean it's a great breeding quality dog.  But a small breeder will still breed the dog that they have because they don't own a better choice. 
A good large breeder is more likely to only keep the best of the best for breeding.  A large breeder can keep the best pup(s) from 5 different litters, raises them, titles them, gets all their health checks done and then takes a good, serious look at these young dogs and only keep 1 or 2 of the best of the best for their breeding program.  Small breeders don't have that luxury. 

Most small breeders work full time jobs away from home, so when they have a litter of puppies they aren't able to observe the litter nearly as much as a breeder who doesn't work outside the home.  
Small breeders are likely to not have nearly as much experience and skills with puppy selection (and understanding puppy characteristics) as a breeder who has whelped and raised a lot more litters. 

A large breeder is much more capable of fixing the good characteristics into the genotype. 
A problem with small breeders is most of them don't have their own bloodline that they've been breeding for many generations. 
Most people can agree with what bad characteristics are in regards to health, but for every other aspect of a dog there are a lot of opinions.  What one person likes and what their order of importance is in breeding dogs will be different from the next person.  So take a dog who comes from a long line of small breeders. (lets just say that in a dog's 10 generation pedigree, each generation was a different breeder) That dog may be healthy because each breeder screened for health issues.  But does that dog have any good characteristics actually fixed into it's genotype?  What if one breeder was obsessed with good feet and pasterns, the next breeder was obsessed with retrieving ability, the next breeder obsessed with great heads, the next breeder obsessed with child friendliness....and so on...
So what on earth is that dog genotypically???

With a large breeder who has raised many generations of dogs, you don't have to ask or guess at what is important in their breeding program, their dogs will show you.  and you know what is genotypically fixed into that dog's lines.