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by Jenni78 on 28 June 2012 - 12:06
Hexe, that's the most useful post so far on this subject- honest, factual, names names and just plain makes sense as to some of the "whys".
by kitkat3478 on 28 June 2012 - 13:06
by kitkat3478 on 28 June 2012 - 13:06
by laura271 on 28 June 2012 - 13:06
Laura
(who thinks about statistical tests on a regular basis)
by Blitzen on 28 June 2012 - 14:06
Maybe I misunderstand BeeTree's intent, but I think she is trying to establish how many GSD's diagnosed clinically with DM actually had DM. How they were diagnosed and were they posted after death to confirm the DM diagnosis.
I read on the net that about 20% of GSD's diagnosed with DM actually had it when autopsied. I've tried to find that statement quite a few times, can't and I can't find any of Clemmon's articles anymore. Seems they have all been deleted. So I can't back this up with facts.
Breeders who DNA test their dogs have pretty good ideas of which dogs in their pedigrees were at risk and carriers. Most I know hesitate to share what they have learned simply because some will use it in a negative manner. There are many well known dogs from ALL lines involved. Best suggestion is just test your own dogs regardless of whether or not you are aware of any ar risks or carriers. You will need to do that anyway if you want to use that test to make beeding decisions. Don't assume any dog is normal because you know of no effected relatives especially in lines where few are testing yet.
by darylehret on 28 June 2012 - 17:06
There are many well known dogs from ALL lines involved.
Please DO back that statement up with facts.
by starrchar on 28 June 2012 - 19:06
by cphudson on 28 June 2012 - 21:06
I went through the whole list one day of all carriers & at risk. There are a lot of dogs with no pedigree on file, lots of AKC SL dogs, German SL dogs & I was surprise to see working line dogs also.
As for the working lines I did noticed some few common names show up; Eqidius lines & Xero z PS were the ones I saw the most often.
by cphudson on 28 June 2012 - 21:06
I went through the whole list one day of all carriers & at risk. There are a lot of dogs with no pedigree on file, lots of AKC SL dogs, German SL dogs & I was surprise to see working line dogs also.
As for the working lines I did noticed some few common names show up; Eqidius lines & Xero z PS were the ones I saw the most often.
by cphudson on 28 June 2012 - 21:06
This is some of the pedigree's off the OFA site:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=498057
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=380923
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=515099
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=515780
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=569299
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=337004
The above pedigree's were from the AT Risk list. I did not list Carriers. 90% of the list were American Showlines these were the few with other pedigrees.
I don't know if more AM SL breeders are testing more for the higher results or not -?????
But when you cross this list with Carriers you'll start to see more wide spread through pedigrees from AM SL, WG SL & WL's.
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