Unhappy customers mittlewest - Page 10

"And you have to ask, since the majority of good breeders, and the SV insist on xraying and breeding only clear dogs, why does it still turn up? "

Because it is a recessive gene.  I do agree though that diet can prevent many genetic diseases, or at least hold them at bay, not all though.

@ Grossman

You really do reach don't you man, while you're still digging, may I ask if you have found
China yet?  "Affected" was written by wikepdiea (copy and paste and I bleive I mentioned that) and we all knew what "it" was suppose to be.  Though, I know you're a little on the slow side and your denial of enviornmental causes not influencing CHD within the breed, is absolutely atrocious end of "____g" story.

It might be a good idea for more GSD breeders to:

1. stop breeding dogs that produce moderate to severe HD in multiple progeny
2. stop breeding dogs with siblings that are moderately to severely dysplastic
3. sedate dogs for hip xrays
4. have hip xrays evaluated by the SV, OFA, a radiologist, etc. Do not depend on your vet for a correct evaluation.

The general concensus from the published experts is that CHD is genetic, the "wrong" environment can make it worse, but does not cause it. Either a dog is dysplastic or it's not, that is determined when the genes combine. Trying to separate genetic HD from environmental only benefits the breeder who does not xray his breed stock, or who does not offer a guarantee against HD in dogs sold for breeding, or who only offers a guarantee of "genetic" HD, not if it's "envoronmental".

If hip dysplasia is a recessive gene, then the results Dr Bellfield had in his experiment would have produced 100% dysplastic puppies because both parents would have carried the gene. Good diet and nutrition may have lessened the severity, but all the puppies should have had dysplasia to some degree. They were ALL clear.  Therefore it is not a simple recessive trait. No one knows for sure (if it is genetic) how it is passed on. Therefore they use the catch phrase multifactoral.

I know I should take Gustav's advice.

BUT, for anyone interested, Dr. Bellfield's work expanded the research of Linus Pauling, PHD (father of ortho molecular nutrition, 2x Nobel winner, father of Vit. C cures all ills) into the animal world. Much of this research (Pauling) has not only been proven flawed, but dishonest in some cases. 
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

just saying,

Rik

p.s. can anyone tell me what was the original intent of this thread. I got here after the deletions. PM is ok.

I just love Quackery.there certainly is enough of it out there ! Too funny.(I guess not tho, when people buy into it)

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At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had failed the certification exam.

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The most damning testimony before the jury, under the intense cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar defamation lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within the past few years and had not won one single one at trial.

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