Unhappy customers mittlewest - Page 4

That's what all good breeders I know do too, Kitkat.

DDRDude sez:

 "Common sense would dictate that the breeder taking care and breeding two passing hip dogs together is also probably providing a much better ENVIORNMENT (i.e. proper nutriiton, no excessive exercise for pus, and the likilihood the pups remain in a controlled enviornment longer, breeders with integrity often don't let pups go tilll 12 weeks and many times sell older dogs)  <---- This in itself could easily make a up a large portion of the 22% reduction if not all of it.  I've said my peace."

 
  
Believe whatever you want, and breed or buy your dogs accordingly--there's no law against failure to accept peer-reviewed, published scientific data.

I think getting back to the core of the topic - Reputable Kennel, guarantees, unhappy customers. 

I see allot of people looking at these kennels as service based businesses owing you something.  People acting like consumers.

We have a combination of problems in the US.  Goes back to post on another thread - link on first page of this thread.

Here is what I can say I would do personally if and when I venture into setting up a breeding program.

In order by timeline and therefore priority.

1)Make sure I am in a place in my life that regardless of my breeding success, I dont need the money.

2)Top notch visually appealling facilities with overall "German Shepherd Wonderland" type atmosphere.

3)Bloodline foundation plan thought out for the next 10 to 15 years.

4)Sound business plan developing brand, building and revising sales metrics, diverse and multifaceted.

Once all these things are in place then I would buy my dogs, stick to the plan, and dive in.  All the while I would not present myself as a seller, or even a business for that matter.  I would have dogs of such quality presented in such a way that the quality of the dogs in conjunction with educating the buyer would not leave myself open to liability of any kind.

Breeders should sell quality dogs to quality people with honesty and integrity and be in a place where your survival is not dependant on selling dogs.

Buyers should educate themselves and stop acting like you want a refund on your broken flat screen.  Here in the US we act so entitled.   

Would any of you have the nerve to slander Arlett, Arminius, etc?  

Again, read my post in detail about this.  Link on first page of this thread.
 

Hey, Live4...I remember that post ! Best, most logical thing I ever read that wasn't in a published NY Times Best Seller List A No. 1 book! Great re-read !!!:)

@ Grossman you still provide NOTHING, not a single research article, fact, or even just one thoughtful insight.  I'm sure you're not a vet, or a geneticist.    "No you're wrong!" lol

 

  Also what was this so called "published scientific data" you speak of that supports your claim?  All you used was an article written, by yes a scientist, who's put a lot of research into the topic, and then you tried to take the article that supports my opinion and take 2 lines out of the entire thing out of context to support your argument. 

On another not I spoke with a 4th vet Yesterday (while I was at my vet clinic getting my pups final round of boosters) and I asked her for her spin on it.  She said 50-50 now that may be slightly lower then the 30 percent genetic - 70 percent enviornment that I had been getting from the other vets and research.  Regardless  the point of the matter remains I do not know much in this world of ours, but there is one thing I do know and that is ENVIORNMENT is just as or more so a factor than genetics with regards to CHD and those of you who think it's 100 percent genetic,  should not be aloud to own a dog!  

Ultimately this is a Nature vs Nurture argument and anyone who says it's a 100 percent one way or the other is a fool and there is no defending that!

Whatever you need to tell yourself .

Heres a bunch of links.  Did not read them yet so dont flame if they lean one way or the other assuming they are my view.  Happy reading.  Some may be the same article, donno, didnt look.

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/97/1/13.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1687006/ 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20956024 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/842921 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875358 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9818525 

http://bakerinstitute.vet.cornell.edu/animalhealth/page.php?id=1104 

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/chd2.html 

http://research.vet.upenn.edu/ScienceandResearch/ScientificReports/tabid/3330/Default.aspx 





 

Perhaps a little introspection is in order.

@ Grossman, I am not a breeder I own one puppy that's it.  I'm involved in a working dog club and that's about the extent of it.