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by Keith Grossman on 03 August 2012 - 00:08
Did you or did you not run the same google search on Steve? Please grace us with your twink fantasy's accomplishments!
by Dobermannman on 03 August 2012 - 01:08
I don't need to google Steve Leigh. I've known him for fifteen years or so. I only need to google trolls I don't know. Nice attempt at deflection. So I'm guessing you've never titled a GSD to a SchH III but you are a manly sky diver who holds doors open for the ladies? LMAO
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1
STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1
STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
by Keith Grossman on 03 August 2012 - 01:08
I've been aware of his website for about as many years, Thomas. It is more a reflection on what a sad, little man (as was pointed out in the German newspaper article mocking him but over which he seems to be so proud) he is than an indictment of the people he attempts to take to task. Not even sure how I first came across his website but it screams, "mental illness," like you read about.
Again I will ask; why would such a self-proclaimed, world class dog trainer waste his time building webpage after webpage critical of other people rather than share his knowledge of dogs to help people who might benefit from his experience and wisdom? That question answers itself.
Again I will ask; why would such a self-proclaimed, world class dog trainer waste his time building webpage after webpage critical of other people rather than share his knowledge of dogs to help people who might benefit from his experience and wisdom? That question answers itself.
by Dobermannman on 03 August 2012 - 01:08
Steve has helped more people then you have Keith, that's for damn sure.
You seem to have some sort of obsession with Steve Leigh? Are you upset because more people think he's funny and is a better dog trainer then you'll ever be?
How many times are you going to avoid the question?
How many GSD's have you Schutzhund titled in the "30 years you've been in the sport"
The topic isn't Steve Leigh.
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III
AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
You seem to have some sort of obsession with Steve Leigh? Are you upset because more people think he's funny and is a better dog trainer then you'll ever be?
How many times are you going to avoid the question?
How many GSD's have you Schutzhund titled in the "30 years you've been in the sport"
The topic isn't Steve Leigh.
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III
AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
by Keith Grossman on 03 August 2012 - 02:08
"Steve has helped more people then you have Keith, that's for damn sure."
By teaching them how to beat the .... out of their dogs? You are such weak little men. I haven't helped a single person but I have helped several hundred dogs. While it might have involved some fairly harsh corrections, especially in the eyes of the "gentle leader" crowd, it never involved abusing any dog until it shit itself. And here's a clue...never once was I ever proud of coming down hard on a dog...never once would I imagine bragging about it and never once did I not question whether or not I could probably have handled it in a more humane manner.
"You seem to have some sort of obsession with Steve Leigh? Are you upset because more people think he's funny and is a better dog trainer then you'll ever be?"
No, you do. If Steve is such a great trainer, why did his business fail? All of the people he criticizes are still training dogs and are still profitable.
"How many times are you going to avoid the question? How many GSD's have you Schutzhund titled in the '30 years you've been in the sport.'"
I never said more than 30 years in the sport, I said more than 30 years in the breed; learn to read. And I answered the question; none. How many have you or how many has Steve? Your watered down schutzhund routines for your spindly legged Dobermanns impresses no one.
How many police departments use Dobermanns? Oh, that's right...none!
If you'll excuse me, I've got some skydiving friends who I haven't seen in a while who are encouraging me to come out and jump with them before the season ends. They are infinitely more interesting than you are.
By teaching them how to beat the .... out of their dogs? You are such weak little men. I haven't helped a single person but I have helped several hundred dogs. While it might have involved some fairly harsh corrections, especially in the eyes of the "gentle leader" crowd, it never involved abusing any dog until it shit itself. And here's a clue...never once was I ever proud of coming down hard on a dog...never once would I imagine bragging about it and never once did I not question whether or not I could probably have handled it in a more humane manner.
"You seem to have some sort of obsession with Steve Leigh? Are you upset because more people think he's funny and is a better dog trainer then you'll ever be?"
No, you do. If Steve is such a great trainer, why did his business fail? All of the people he criticizes are still training dogs and are still profitable.
"How many times are you going to avoid the question? How many GSD's have you Schutzhund titled in the '30 years you've been in the sport.'"
I never said more than 30 years in the sport, I said more than 30 years in the breed; learn to read. And I answered the question; none. How many have you or how many has Steve? Your watered down schutzhund routines for your spindly legged Dobermanns impresses no one.
How many police departments use Dobermanns? Oh, that's right...none!
If you'll excuse me, I've got some skydiving friends who I haven't seen in a while who are encouraging me to come out and jump with them before the season ends. They are infinitely more interesting than you are.
by Bellowood on 03 August 2012 - 03:08
Hip Dysplasia is a recessive gene. Any breeder who contracts good hips are taking just as much of a risk as you are. Love your puppy and do all you can to make sure the right food, suppliments and exercise are given.
by Dobermannman on 03 August 2012 - 03:08
You're obsessed with that ONE story about one dog that has some serious issues with its owner and was in danger of being PTS. Jeez Gross Man pick a new tune to hum will ya.
"helped hundreds of dog" do what? Trot around a breed ring? Are you one of those showline fools that have helped ruin the breed?
His business didn't fail. He retired for health reasons (leukemia)
Well I finally got an answer....ZERO, NADA, NONE GSD's titled.
"Watered down Schutzhund routine" LMAO Yeah Gross Man a watered down routine that none of YOUR dogs have ever done in THIRTY years. There are actually a few Dobermanns working as Police K9s, even a few in the US but I'll let you deal with your lack of education about them.
OH Geez not ANOTHER reference to "I'm a sky diver".
This is a dog list not a parachutist list.....how hard is that to understand.
It doesn't take any special courage or talent to jump out of a perfectly good plane and pull a rip cord. You read about senior citizens doing it on their birthdays. Maybe you can work on your door opening skills to impress the ladies ? Assuming that's the way you roll and you're not inclinded to pull your sky diving buddies "rip cords" ROTFLMAO
Thomas Barriano
"helped hundreds of dog" do what? Trot around a breed ring? Are you one of those showline fools that have helped ruin the breed?
His business didn't fail. He retired for health reasons (leukemia)
Well I finally got an answer....ZERO, NADA, NONE GSD's titled.
"Watered down Schutzhund routine" LMAO Yeah Gross Man a watered down routine that none of YOUR dogs have ever done in THIRTY years. There are actually a few Dobermanns working as Police K9s, even a few in the US but I'll let you deal with your lack of education about them.
OH Geez not ANOTHER reference to "I'm a sky diver".
This is a dog list not a parachutist list.....how hard is that to understand.
It doesn't take any special courage or talent to jump out of a perfectly good plane and pull a rip cord. You read about senior citizens doing it on their birthdays. Maybe you can work on your door opening skills to impress the ladies ? Assuming that's the way you roll and you're not inclinded to pull your sky diving buddies "rip cords" ROTFLMAO
Thomas Barriano
by Keith Grossman on 03 August 2012 - 04:08
"You're obsessed with that ONE story about one dog that has some serious issues with its owner and was in danger of being PTS. Jeez Gross Man pick a new tune to hum will ya."
Oh, look; there's that clever second grade shit again!
"'helped hundreds of dog' do what? Trot around a breed ring? Are you one of those showline fools that have helped ruin the breed?"
Helped hundreds of dogs of all breeds who were in shelters and rescues and incorrectly identified as aggressive. What have you ever done for any dog that didn't put a dollar in your pocket,
"His business didn't fail. He retired for health reasons (leukemia)"
Yes, it did...long before he was ever diagnosed.
"Watered down Schutzhund routine" LMAO Yeah Gross Man a watered down routine that none of YOUR dogs have ever done in THIRTY years. There are actually a few Dobermanns working as Police K9s, even a few in the US but I'll let you deal with your lack of education about them.
School us , which police departments are those, exactly? Please provide links to their websites showing those Dobes. Can you provide even one major metropolitain area that primarily uses dobes as their K9's? No...because they don't exist. Maybe they're good for fat guys like you; law enforcement tends to want real dogs.
"It doesn't take any special courage or talent to jump out of a perfectly good plane and pull a rip cord. You read about senior citizens doing it on their birthdays. Maybe you can work on your door opening skills to impress the ladies ? Assuming that's the way you roll and you're not inclinded to pull your sky diving buddies "rip cords" ROTFLMAO"
Aw, did I hurt your feelings?
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Oh, look; there's that clever second grade shit again!
"'helped hundreds of dog' do what? Trot around a breed ring? Are you one of those showline fools that have helped ruin the breed?"
Helped hundreds of dogs of all breeds who were in shelters and rescues and incorrectly identified as aggressive. What have you ever done for any dog that didn't put a dollar in your pocket,
"His business didn't fail. He retired for health reasons (leukemia)"
Yes, it did...long before he was ever diagnosed.
"Watered down Schutzhund routine" LMAO Yeah Gross Man a watered down routine that none of YOUR dogs have ever done in THIRTY years. There are actually a few Dobermanns working as Police K9s, even a few in the US but I'll let you deal with your lack of education about them.
School us , which police departments are those, exactly? Please provide links to their websites showing those Dobes. Can you provide even one major metropolitain area that primarily uses dobes as their K9's? No...because they don't exist. Maybe they're good for fat guys like you; law enforcement tends to want real dogs.
"It doesn't take any special courage or talent to jump out of a perfectly good plane and pull a rip cord. You read about senior citizens doing it on their birthdays. Maybe you can work on your door opening skills to impress the ladies ? Assuming that's the way you roll and you're not inclinded to pull your sky diving buddies "rip cords" ROTFLMAO"
Aw, did I hurt your feelings?
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by Keith Grossman on 03 August 2012 - 04:08
Let me make this abundantly clear...anyone who thinks that the type of abuse Steve Leigh described in his posts here can feel free to walk up to me and confront me at any time. I am not hard to find. Good luck!
by hexe on 03 August 2012 - 06:08
How the hell did THIS thread turn into another Steve Leigh thread???? Someone take a wrong turn while heading for the "Thank You" thread?
I gave up engaging in any form of debate or discussion with that individual years ago, when he was still posting on working dog email lists. It is fruitless to try and do something of that nature with someone who is mentally ill and not receiving any treatment or therapy for it, and who has no wish to gain command of that illness...it is just an exercise in frustration for both parties in such situations.
I gave up engaging in any form of debate or discussion with that individual years ago, when he was still posting on working dog email lists. It is fruitless to try and do something of that nature with someone who is mentally ill and not receiving any treatment or therapy for it, and who has no wish to gain command of that illness...it is just an exercise in frustration for both parties in such situations.
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