Anyone know anything about the new owner of Bomber Vom Wolfsheim? - Page 13

Thanks for explaining.

I own 2 Bomber progeny  I imported 3 years ago
and 3 Bomber granpups
I also own 4 Bandit dogs
And I can say 100% it is NO hype Bomber brings it  !!
I did my own secret  survey as to "who" is the better brother question
Since this has always been the question of two famouse brothers



 

Not surprised Avery Hill....just like the two famous brothers Troll and Timmy were known for different strengths in their contribution to the breed. 

Wait, you're not saying that my sister and I aren't identical and our children won't be identical either? 

The "greater good of the breed" surely does not lie in having
a dog, however great, allowed open access to absolutely anybody
who wants to put their bitch to him. Doesn't it behove owners of
good, prepotent studs to be extremely careful about the values of
females used, even more so than with your 'average' male who will
be less in demand anyway ? The current owner sounds as if he
may be the sort of guy who knows enough to pick & choose, or not
choose at all, rather than being swayed by the amount of stud fees
he could collect ...

If Bomber didn't mesh so well with any of hundreds of not-so-carefully selected bitches in past breedings, then maybe being a control freak about who he's bred to would be in order.

My opinion is, barring any reason unsettling to the stud owner, the call ultimately lies with the bitch owner, who is termed the "breeder" and raiser of the offspring.  I have a hard time understanding why any breeder wouldn't want the best they could put together.

I don't believe the stud owner can be expected to be as intimately familiar with each and every prospective bloodline as the bitch owner is of their own bloodlines.  Especially regarding a stud so popular and effective despite his already VERY prolific breeding career.  Really, what do we know NOT to breed Bomber to?  Or by "values of females used" do you mean values of their breeders, so as not to tarnish reputations?  THAT is a perspective for marketing and political matters, and not one of breeding!

Sounds like this Parrish guy is sitting on top of the world.  Not a bad place to be!  Gets to sit back and let all the bitches, or breeders come to him for a decision of merit. Must be fun listening to them all. I wonder if he has a few key points he uses to screen out the wannabees from the truly educated. That would be interesting to know.

Does anyone worry about creating a Bomber bottleneck? Just curious.

I'm more worried about a Tom v L. bottleneck than B. v Wolfsheim.

It's the Horand bottleneck that has me seriously concerned, ha ha.

Are there many notable producers that significant number of breeders would go to great lengths to avoid in their bloodlines?  If so, why?  The severely bottlenecked showline dogs are so much a seperate component of the breed that I personally have no trouble avoiding them.  Personally, I avoid Mink lines, but that's just me.  You see, I KNOW that I will be tightly linebreeding, and I just don't want to be doing that with Mink blood.  But, there's plenty of Mink free bloodlines.

It should be not too long before somebody linebreeds tightly on Bomber, and reveals any serious concerns about bottlenecking on his genetics.  Barring potential genetic health concerns, there's little reason to worry.  He doesn't bring TOO MUCH of any specialized characteristics to ruin the breed by his lonesome.  There's enough people breeding for the wrong reasons that will see this breed's demise long before Bomber could be blamed.

Daryl is right when he says no stud owner can be so well versed
in the lines of each and every possible bitch that is brought to the
male, as to which matings should be sanctioned.  So what is the
owner of a good, potentially great, dog to do, if he is in a country
where there are no hard & fast rules about which gets bred to what ?
Surely he relies on what info he has gathered / does possess about
bloodlines plus the phenotypical status of the bitches presented, to
say: "Yea or nay".  Given the esteem in which Bomber is/was held
prior to import to the USA, there may have been quite a queue forming
(before the dog's options were 'closed down') - and it may well be that
a lot of the bitches in that queue were reasonably well qualified in work
and clear - as far as known - in bloodlines;  but in conformation terms,
not so good ?  For matching with a dog who has both working ability
AND good looks /correct structure, and for anyone interested in BOTH
aspects of the breed's value,  one would hope the owner doesn't just collect
a stud fee and not care if the bitches happen to be as ugly as sin.  Whatever
your opinion of the ethics of the SV, would that not undermine its intentions ?  
And that is even before we get to the point of consideration of a real possibility
of creating / adding to that 'bottleneck', if the numbers involved in the demand
are high enough.