do you believe yr east/czech peds - Page 10

Guddu: P.S. Its is 25 gen to Horand v Grafrath SV1, atleast for my dog who is less than 1 year old. Yes there were dogs before Horand, but they were not gsd's. can you post a link with a 30+gen origin that you claim.

I traced my dog's (less than a year old) pedigree backward and counted exactly 32 generations back to the beginning.  I can also use other routes backward and get less than 32 generations.  Everything depends on which route you follow. 

"Guddu, I think you have made your point. ", Thank you. 
P.S. I have visited the DDR, Hungary before the wall fell so I have some idea of what I am talking about. A certain type of kool-aid drinkers made good citizens in the communist block. Not me.
Unless the gsd books are wrong, the early gsd's had wolf-mixes. Do you challenge that statement too. Try to track this 1934 book. 
http://www.amazon.com/Alsatian-German-shepherd-dog-capabilities/dp/B00087W9IQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357395918&sr=1-1&keywords=george+horowitz+alsatian
P.P.S. My count of 25 gen follows the sire's line to Horand.

P.P.S. My count of 25 gen follows the sire's line to Horand.

By purely following the sire-line, my 1.5 year old female links back to Horand Von Grafrath in 33 generations.  My sub-1yr old boy links back to Horand in 25 generations.

So again, depends on the dog.

Some people are grandparents in their late 40s.  Some probably have year old babies when they are 40 and would probably be grand-parents in their 70s or 80s.

P.S. I have visited the DDR, Hungary before the wall fell so I have some idea of what I am talking about.

I bet you did not seek out GSD breeders in the pre-wall DDR and have a first-hand view of their breeding practices !  Also, DDR is different.  Hungary is different.  Czech is different.

Over the years, I lived and worked in several countries in Europe (Switzerland, the UK, Germany etc) but if someone were to ask me intimate details of the breeding practices of GSDs in say Switzerland, I will come out as a total blank, since I did nothing related to GSDs when I was located there.

As a group, the west had a certain standard (W.germany, Switz, Sweden). The communist block had a certain standard and way of behaviour that permeated to all levels. To give an example, if a cop stops you in America, or Switzerland you dont want to try and bribe him. That maybe something you would do naturally in certain parts of the world. Point is you dont need to see every aspect of a society to judge how it works and that things worked differently in the communist bloc. To give an example, I was stuck at Moscow airport during the cold war. They had no decent food to sell and the meat was truly leather-like. After a few $ changed hands, they took me to a room at the airport, where a wedding party was going on and the food was excellent. but this is OT.

So Guddu, why did you get a Czech GSD in particular, and not a dog from a place where the "standards were higher" ?  Due to your "first hand knowledge" of the "well permeated corrupt atmosphere in the Commie block", I am guessing you would have headed for the exits, when somebody mentioned sourcing your GSD from former "commie sources".  Since you imported your puppy directly from a kennel like Jinopo, it certainly was not a cheap deal by any means, which means you could have gotten a FAR cheaper pup from breedings where "standards were higher".....and so why did you not ?   

Or, were you really after a wolf-hybrid after all, since that seems to be the latest fixation on this thread  ?

PS:  I got my Czech-bred dogs (both of them in-fact), because I am convinced that they are the best dogs available for my purposes - bar none....just to get that pesky detail out of the way.

Aaykay:
         It may not have crossed your brain, that I think czech dogs are good, with or without wolf blood.

P.S. Peabrain corrected to brain

Also, going by your prior posts, for argument's sake, let us assume that some folks did manage to sneakily introduce (circumventing all kinds of traps that would have nailed them) some wolf-hybrids into the Czech/Slovak GSD gene-pool. 

To take this further, I am assuming that IF such sneaky introductions happened, it would have happened with less-well-known and little-used kennels (since the consequences in doing so would be disastrous for the larger kennels) and if so, then the wolf-hybrid DNA would be in a very localized and scarcely used portion of the overall Czech GSD gene-pool (since studs/bitches/pups from less-well-known kennels would not be in much demand or have any kind of large enough numbers to have an impact on the big picture, logically). 

Now (for argument's sake) when such a little used portion of the Czech GSD gene-pool had this alleged introduction, and when other well-known kennels had 10s of 1000s of puppies (that did not have this kind of wolf-DNA introduction), the overall Czech GSD population that could potentially have had such introductions would be tiny to the point of being a total non-issue, I assume ? 

And now several decades later, the chance of having any kind of impact from the alleged localized introduction of the wolf-DNA in the Czech GSD population, would be infinitesimally small and totally irrelevant (due to the rapid dilution with newer generations), even if for argument's sake we assume that such sneaky introductions did take place decades back.  Agree ?

So are you "sneakily" worried that your pup has wolf in him ? Quit worrying, since even if he does resemble "Pedro", there is zero influence that Pedro exerts over him.

 It may not have crossed your peabrain, that I think czech dogs are good, with or without wolf blood.

What's a "peabrain" ?  You seem to be losing it, my friend.

The question is not so much, how much wolf-mixes were used, but whether they might have been used. There could still be lines with wolf blood in the last 7-8 generations. Slovakia did more of the wolf-gsd breedings.