The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 19

Hundmutter,
Your question is a good one.
I am a member of UScA. I have to pay $100/yr for my membership.
I am provided with certain benefits and priveleges as a result of paying my membership fee.
Those events you speak of cost money.
Why should I have to pay a $100 membership fee and the expense of those events to participate when a WDA member only has to pay the cost of the event?
According to the WUSV, UScA can no longer charge an extra fee for non-UScA members. How is this equitable?

To answer your question ..........

I don't need USCA.  I have not attended a show/trial or Sieger Show since my membership ended*.  
My trainer did enter a dog or two of mine in USCA trials (4 generations of mine and a few from Germany). 

*I entered the last USCA show a few days before my 12+ year membership expired and included my member # and fee with my entry.  
I received an email stating I needed to pay the non-member fee      It must have been the first of the month  

USA needs other clubs as much as they need it.  For fucks sake, can't people just shut  up, train and trial?????  Enter and you're judged to the same standards as the guy or girl next to you.  If you think the standards are too low, don't fucking enter, if you think they're tough and you like it, enter.  I wonder what would happen to all the USA trials if all the other members of DVG's, AWDF's, other breed clubs, etc didn't enter, support and buy memberships with the UScA as well???  IF somebody from WDA wants to send their dog on me in a trial, what the hell do I care?  If they want to pay an entry fee, what do I care?  If they want to use USA judges, why does anyone care?  I remember years ago being a dual club and UScA members would come from all over to trial at our WDA trial because we always got SV judges.  Our USA trial was usually club members and a few BH's.  

Neither club is all that perfect when it comes right down to it.  Nobody is going to influence anything but YOU.  YOU decide how you train, YOU decide what kind of dogs you want to train.  YOU decide where you are going to buy dogs from.  YOU decide what kind of dogs you're going to breed.  YOU decide what standards you are going to adhere to.  All this bullcrap talk about WDA this and GSDCA that and UScA this and on and on and round and round and in the end it all boils down to one thing, what standard do YOU hold YOURSELF to????????

Between the 2 letters, my understanding is that UScA has notified that because of the "internal agreement" between GSDCA and WDA the GSDCA/WDA score book issue has been worked out in the eyes of the WUSV, and is valid. The "internal agreement" is a special case, and is not typical for any other situation.

For purpouses of entering into a WUSV event, the GSDCA/WDA score book and either GSDCA or WDA membership club memberships is acceptable.

And the UScA cannot add special added costs or registration requirements too entrants with GSDCA/WDA score books, without adding those special added costs for all non-members, 
All non-members shall have same non-member costs and registration requirements.
GSDCA or GSDCA/WDA members cannot be singled out and forced to pay more or do more than other non-members.


For reference....................

The Lux letter:

"The WUSV Constitution mandates that a WUSV Member Club must accept the members of other WUSV Club into its events.

In the United States, there are two WUSV Member Clubs: the GSDCA and the UScA.
The WDA is not a WUSV Member Club and, normally, WDA membership is not required admission of a WDA member into another WUSV Member Club event.
Howere, in the case of the WDA, there is an internal agreement between the GSDCA and the WDA which provides that:
(1) individuals are deemed to be members of the GSDCA, if they hold a GSDCA/WDA score book for a dog,
(2) the score book is issued by the WDA under the authority of the GSDCA and
(3) the score book is issued jointly for both the GSDCA and the WDA.
By virtue of this internal agreement, anyone who possesses such a score book: (1) is deemed a GSDCA member for purposes of entering into a WUSV Member Club event and, as such, (2) must be accepted by another WUSV Member Club for its events."

The Henke letter:
"Further, 'uncondidtional', as used in the previous paragraph, prohibits the attachment of any conditions to the confirmation requested by the foregoing paragraph, inclucing without limitation the prohibition of adding costs or registration requirements for GSDCA and/or WDA members."

Amen Zdog

Zdog

OGBS


If Club A puts on Trials and Shows for its members,
it has to pay for them anyway.  It recoups the cost
from its members by annual fees, as well as from
entry money 'on the day'.


If it is going to do that in any case ...

and other people want to attend who are not Club A
members ... so long as there is adjustment for the
numbers / size  of venue involved, the 'outsiders' entry
fees, past that being funded, are  'icing on the cake'.

Dog Clubs​ usually aren't charities - they balance their books,
even if in a 'non-profit' manner.


And I haven't even gotten to the 'privileges' that Club A
members get for their buck, AS Members, that the
'outsiders' would not receive.


PS Still no excuse for Nia's tirade against people on benefits
out in the real world.

Perhaps I am naive but I really don't understand the drama. When my WDA club had a trial, show and survey last year a large number of entries were for USCA members and most of the surveys were for USCA members. Not one of them was treated with less respect than any WDA member and all were welcomed equally. I seriously doubt that there will ever be an overwhelming influx of WDA people trialing at USCA events as opposed to the USCA entries in WDA shows. Why is it that there is such venom out on the part of USCA members?


JudyK

 

This puts a different light on the subject...........
UScA members are entering and enjoying the benifits of WDA shows and trials as non-members.
UScA refuses to let WDA members enter and enjoy the benefits of UScA shows and trials as non-members. 


JudyK,
What was the non-member fee to enter?
Did all non-member score books require authenticaion thru the WDA, if so, what was the cost?
Were there any additional entry requirements added to non-members?



Kim.


 

It is really juvenile honestly, and I believe as in most things it is the minority of UScA members that arescreaming thew loudest. We have a UScA club very close geographically to us, and we occasionally train together. They have trialed at our trial and are always welcomed with open arms. They are treated no differently than anyone else. I look forward to the day hen we can support them in their events as well.
Grow up for God's sake and get over yourselves.
Theresa

Kim, I just checked with our show secretary and there were no additonal fees tacked on to the entries for non WDA members.  I can't speak for other clubs and what their policies are/were but we have not done that at our shows or trials. And no entries or scorebooks were sent in for certification.

I hope this anwers your question.

Judy