The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 2

Yogie, the problem is that as of January 1, 2012, it became against the WUSV rules to obtain a second scorebook for a dog.  So, if you only ever had a WDA scorebook in the first place and never bought a USCA/AWDF book, now you are stuck with the WDA book.  If you want to switch to USCA but they won't accept your book or allow you to get a new one, what do you do?

As far as titles from SV judges, they are and always have been acceptable at USCA events but we are talking about *using* a scorebook, not just showing proof of a prior title.  I switched from WDA (and I have a WDA book, not a GSDCA one) and have never had problems with the title in my WDA book being accepted by USCA judges, but I'm not asking them to write *new* titles in a WDA book.  I obtained a USCA/AWDF book in 2010 and that is the book I use for everything.

"Yogie, the problem is that as of January 1, 2012, it became against the WUSV rules to obtain a second scorebook for a dog"

Double check your information. The new FCI rules that went  into effect last year (that I'm pretty sure are the ones that everyone is following now)
state that you can only present and have the judge sign one score book at a trial. Nothing about the dog having multiple score books from different organizations.
Also the OP said that DVG score books were recognized by UScA through WUSV.  DVG (an all breed sport club) has nothing to do with WUSV (The International German Shephard Club). DVG America score books are recognized by UScA through the German VDH and now through the AWDF since DVG America  joined.

I wish that UScA and GSDCA and WDA would all grow up and quit acting like brats. The sport of Schutzhund/IPO would be better for the other breeds if you guys would focus on your breed and not your egos.

Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09) BH TT

Thomas, that would sure make things easier.  I was told by Frank Phillips that it is now against the rules to obtain another scorebook for a dog that already has one, as of Jan 1, 2012.

Yogie, It is a lot of trouble to circumvent the rules. Please bear in mind both organizations had to modify their rules to begin with in order for the GSD cummunity to circumvent them. The WDA offered co ownership and accepted non members as a way around the rules, USCA relaxed requirements for USCA registration, co ownership, and membership as a way. Realistically USCA took the biggest hit and had to make more changes to keep participation in their events alive. Most people just want to go to an event and enjoy it.

If I interpret your post correctly, it seems like a lot of work to have to deal with the whole WDA scorebook issue, why not just go with the organization that doesn't put you through it? If so, valid point. Realistically the WDA leadership should have done this for the GSD Community. The scorebooks they offer should already be GSDCA affiliated and GSDCA should make USCA aware that the WUSV affiliation requirements are met. USCA would have no choice but to accept the GSDCA endorsed book as they currently do with the DVG scorebook. Multiple WDA board members claim they have done this and their books meet the requirements. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and see if they have or if they have come up short and spread a lot of bad information to the GSD Community. That is what we are doing for them in this exercise.

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There are so many bad translations of the new rules, it's hard to know what is "official" anymore :-(
I think Frank is talking about trying to get a new score book for a IPO II or III and redoing the titles and acting like the dog is HOT?
UScA has a AWDF score book (to be used at all AWDF events) and one you use for UScA trials only. UScA also wouldn't issue an alternate breed a score book listing the dog as a (insert breed). DVG has a AWDF scorebook and their DVG (Germany ) approved scorebook. I can't keep track of the UScA and GSDCA/WDAscore book situation. What about all the score books from all the other sports (Ring, Agility, Nose Work, PSA etc.)
It's a dog sport, don't make it so damn complicated :-)

Thomas Barriano

Thomas, I'm not saying you are wrong (I have no idea who is right) but the context of the conversation was how someone who is or was a WDA member can most easily switch to competing in USCA trials.  I was a WDA member with a WDA book and in 2010 I became a USCA member and purchased their AWDF book.  At the time, this was allowed because I no longer used my WDA book once I was issued the AWDF book (I only carried the WDA book in case I was asked to show proof of the dog's BH, passed under an SV judge, and USCA never gave me any problems with this when I did the Schutzhund trial and the breed survey).  However according to Frank if you didn't purchase a new book before last January then your only option is to keep using the one you have and get it "certified" by USCA, which is apparently impossible with a WDA book (or it seems impossible and Randy is sorting this out).  Frank said you cannot be issued a second book for the same dog, period.  There was no mention of re-doing titles or HOT status or those things.  The context is the same as Randy has brought up here....what do you do if you only had a WDA book after last January and want to compete outside of WDA?

"what do you do if you only had a WDA book after last January and want to compete outside of WDA?"

Send it to WDA and they will issue you a GSDCA-WDA scorebook.

Sitasmom

That sounds too simple and uncomplicated. It couldn't possibly be that east ? :-)


Thomas Barriano