Anyone else had trouble getting AKC papers from Christie Lanckriet, Wilkins - Page 3

Everyone one of my puppy buyer's got their AKC papers !
Go to  www.ripoffreport.com  and you will see other people that complained
about her too.

I got emails from 2 people, do not know them.  Kougar, and Dobermannman.  Another person
that posted on ripoffreport in my posting.  They wanted to talk with me about her.  Another person
called me the other day and said they have a puppy from my dog and wants to know how to get
their AKC papers as well.

I'm making sure that I clarify my last statement before u guys jump on me again.
A guy that bought a puppy from Christi, out of the mentioned dog Farah.  That I am
waiting on papers for.  I can't help this guy out, he bought the puppy from her.  All I
can do is listen to his complaint.Remember that she is paid in full !  I drove
10 + hours in the middle of the night to meet her.  So she wasn't going out of  HER way.
I received a big folder with papers, pedigree, x rays  I had no idea the AKC papers were
not included.  Not only has she not tried to even get AKC papers to this day, but lied and
said I was getting them.  The very first email I sent her says, I must have papers.  And
actually asked her more than once.  And the answer was yes.   NOT

First of all don't even know this Christi. And another thing I don'rt like to see someone talk bad about a kennel when they themselves have have bad practices also.
You are breeding dogs without hip ratings.
You are breeding dogs to young. i'm guessing this yr old Hanna didn't take again? Now this is the second time you have advertise her as being pregnant.Now wil we see you selling her?
And yes on puppyfind you have the pups as being registerable.Schh and breeding prospects yet you don't have papers.
Now you bred the female as soon as you received her.You must be good to know her temperment and abilities with in a few days and decided the male you have would be a good match.
Seems strange the other post disappeared.
And now I see you are trying to bash her through another threrad.
Steve

WOW this thread is almost exactly the same as the last one. I'm sure in a month or so when this one dies off, it will be reserected so we can this this all over. Ill try and make sure that when it does, I just keep my mouth closed and not type a word.

Barb

This is to zigzag.  You don't know what your talking about.  If you don't know her or my situation, you shouldn't even
be commenting.  As far as my dogs are concerned, your totally WRONG.   You keep saying my female is one year
old.  What's your problem ?  You don't know me or my dogs. She's close to 2 yrs.  QUIT MAKING UP THINGS, READ
OVER your own threads.  I have bred a female, never sais she was pregnant.  There's a lil difference.  No I will not
be selling her.   Your talking out your    *&*^&&%%  now, cause everything you said is not true.  Not all my dogs are
OFA and that's my business.  They have good hip backgrounds with no problems.  I will get the breeding dogs OFA'd
soon.  The bitch I just whelped a litter has good hips.
On the other thread, Christie did exactly what the thread said.  She told me she bred her untitled female to her VA male
and doesn't have AKC papers on her, and said she bred her again to her male Ole.  This is from her mouth to my email.

"If you don't know her or my situation, you shouldn't even be commenting." 
You posted here so people would comment.  But you get mad when the comments aren't what you want.  That is what a forum is.  If you don't want opinions then you probably came to the wrong place.  Just because the parents of a dog may have good hips doesn't mean their offspring will.  There has been a lot of discussion on that matter.  Many respectable people will not buy a dog from someone who has not had the parents hips registered with either the ofa or the sv.  It is the a matter of proof not opinion, kind of like having the registration papers in hand. 

I REALLY hate to post here but curiosity has the best of me and my need to share my experiences and ask a few questions overcome me. I’ve said over and over I would ignore things and not post here so now that I am breaking my promise to myself, please excuse the length and detail of post, but I hope someone, whether it be someone involved in this mess, or someone who is about to buy a dog without the dog’s papers in their hand, learns something from all this experience. I have been “taken” on dogs papers before.....even came on here a few years ago VENTING about the LAST time I was sold a dog I never got papers on.....of course, while I was mad and venting here at night, I was spending my days finding out more info from people who the same person who screwed over, the police (the last time I was played for a fool on papers, the seller or the person I gave money to did not even OWN the dog so obviously I never got papers), and my attorney. I want to trust in people and that when they say they will mail papers, papers are at AKC and will mail them when they come, etc I will actually get them. However, I have lost enough money on dogs I never saw papers on that I don’t play anymore. My money stays with me until the moment papers are in my hand and inspected. I’d offer that as advice for anyone....just can’t trust people anymore. Also, advice from my perspective, if you do legitimately get screwed and want vindication, go DIRECTLY to your lawyer, if you don’t have one, get a consult with a lawyer (under $100 here) and find out what your rights are as well as what you can LEGALLY say online (IF you feel the need to vent) before you say more than you should. My other piece of advice, I think is a little obvious to anyone who’s ever heard “I’ll mail you the papers” and then never got papers, do NOT BREED a dog YOU DON’T OWN ON AKC PAPERS. Like it or not, folks, AKC papers make dogs more marketable and I have seen AKC papers keep a dog from going to a shelter. That said, some of the ones I have seen that were saved only based on AKC papers, have had everything from horrible temperaments, to severe dysplasia, and all kinds of health problems, oversized, undersized, pedigrees that NO ONE should EVER CONSIDER breeding in my opinion, pedigrees with American/German Show/German Working and etc. MIXED ALL in one dog’s pedigree and you can imagine the mess the dogs were BUT all of the AKC dogs did manage to find loving homes who accepted them for what they were. Maybe it’s just the area I live, but people tend to respect an AKC dog more than an unregistered dog....I am speaking strictly from experience in the area I grew up and did some rescue in. So I am a firm believer in only AKC GSDs being bred (in the US)....I do not particularly like the AKC, personally, but until something better comes along, it’s the best we have. That said, my concern is with these puppies, their placement, and such....thus my questions. I do NOT know the OP, or the “breeder” in this mess, so please see my questions as what they are. You posted on a public forum, it left numerous questions for me that I will try to sum up as quickly as possible, and also makes me very curious about your goals as a “breeder.” I do not mean to sound judgmental and actually am not being judgmental, but in order to prevent that, I NEED to ask some things so I understand this all correctly. Was this a “accidental breeding”??? Is it that simple??? I don’t actually understand “accidental breedings” as I’ve never had a problem with my males letting me know a girl was coming into season and had ample time to make sure they were not out together until it was “safe” again, but I hear the term accidental breeding A LOT and know it could happen if you kenneled a male and female together at all times. I could understand a lot more if your male without a hip rating of working lines somehow managed to get to this show line female that you have no papers on? I have a feeling this was not an accident though, so in case it wasn’t I will proceed. I notice the male is working and the female is show....have you done a lot of research on these crosses or just experimenting? What was your goal with the litter? Pet homes, working homes, show homes (can you even show a half working dog??? HARDCORE working line girl here so I don’t know), etc? Why in the world did you breed the female without having her papers in hand??? What do you intend to do with the pups to ensure their safe future??? They will have no papers to help track them if something goes wrong. Have you thought of microchipping in your name to ensure if they get in trouble, you can come to the rescue? I saw one of your ads for $1250 for a pup and think you need to be realistic and worried about getting these pups in good homes who will value them and NOT breed them. Even though your ad did NOT DIRECTLY say AKC REGISTERED, who in their right mind is even interested in a half show/half working pup, with untitled sire who has no hip rating, NO AKC papers (meaning assuming a pup is good enough and goes to a working home, it will have to register as a “mixed breed” to trial for IPO—I have NO CLUE if one can be shown without papers as that is not my venue), and everything for $1250??? No offense, but I can easily locate a pup with titled sire and dam, hip and elbow rated parents, imported parents, pure working bloodlines, all the documentation you could ask for, a guaranty that is actually valid, lifetime breeder support, AND AKC papers for $1500-2000 almost anytime....so maybe I am lucky and spoiled. I feel like this might be more related to money than vindication....and hopefully I am wrong. Why is the male not hip scored? Has he been x-rayed and his hips looked bad so you decided not to submit to OFA or SV or what’s the deal? Are you a knowledgeable, experienced breeder or just getting started??? Again, please don’t take my poor wording and pure curiosity wrong. I don’t know you, I don’t know who you say has the papers, and I know NOTHING about any modern show lines, for that matter I have seen your ads in multiple places but do NOT know anything about you, your breed program, or goals as a “breeder” so trust I am on no one’s side except the puppies. Pursue legal action if you think that might get you the papers on the dam of this litter. If not, or if you can’t get the papers, PLEASE spay this female and find her a good, loving home (or keep her if you desire). From this posting I can gather that this is at least her third litter (possibly without papers?) How old is the female? Anyway, not my concern, but it will be if this female comes up in a rescue situation and I find out or any of the unregistered puppies end up in shelters and I find out. One last comment, from my experience, and MANY conversations with my attorney who is also a friend, it is probably unwise to even attempt to sell the puppies on multiple public websites with the implication that they are registered dogs when in fact you have no papers on the mother and then come on this public form and complain that you do not have the mother’s papers...if you sell one of those pups without papers, implying or stating that you will give the buyers AKC papers, you have evidence against you in your own words, from your own IP address, on public websites....I have no clue about your state or your laws, but that just doesn’t seem like the best choice for you, but it is for any potential buyers of these puppies that find this IF you are not disclosing the fact the puppies have no papers and most likely never will. Just my two cents, my opinions, and could not contain myself from getting this out there. I do know the heartache of getting a dog, training him to a SchH1 while waiting on papers, and then NEVER seeing papers...and never titling the dog because he was just too well bred and too great of a dog to be called a “mixed breed” (mixed breed dogs need love too but I am strictly a working German Shepherd person, not saying a GSD is better than a mixed breed, but I don’t call a pure lab a poodle either so my dog was not mixed breed) was one of the bigger heartbreaks of my life, and is one reason I am so passionate about people getting papers if they are promised papers....not to mention the expense involved in just that dog, not to mention others I have purchased and never seen papers on, I think I have finally learned though. Hopefully you will learn the hard, expensive lesson from this and NEVER get cheated on papers again. Best wishes to the pups though.....

I would have to say you are talking out your azz.On your page you had " 2 litters coming show/working and a working litter.The dam of the working litter is Hanna.But it seemed like she didn't take again.And you say not all your dogs are ofa'd.Let me guess the one that is hip rated is the showline (Farrar) And it seems like you have paper issues.Correct me if i'm wrong but the litter that you had (12 pups) awhile back wasn't there a problem with the papers? And yes you are right I don't know you and believe me i wouldn't want too.And normally i just set and read the threads and i have learned alot from this site.Alot of knowledgable people here.And I'm always reading the classifies here and it seems like you sell and trade lots of pups,dogs.The reasons get me to many dogs need to liquidate or to much drive for you.But you are a breeder ,trainer for 26 yrs.Oh almost forgot about your broken foot and can't train now.
Steve

Have kept out of this one,  I don't know either of these 'ladies' either.
But I just had to say I thought NWilz and ZigZag's post summarised
the arguments well, and they both have excellent points.  Like Bhaugh
I hate the thought that this same story will keep rumbling on and going
in circles, for ever & a day.

Donna, another question for you:  will every buyer of pups from Farah's
litter whelped in January get their AKC papers with their puppies ?  Yes
or no ?