Anyone else had trouble getting AKC papers from Christie Lanckriet, Wilkins - Page 5

I really would like an apology from every person on here, when I get her papers.  I don't owe her money
for the dog.  She was paid in full before I picked her up.  Everyone on here keeps making up things and not
reading my words.  You guys keep saying that the poor puppy buyers won't get their papers.  YOUR WRONG

And yes they are worth every penny I'm asking for them.  My word is good, and every puppy buyer has got
their AKC papers from me.  I put it in writing in my contracts and tell the people exactly when to expect them.

Nwilz   Shame on you for calling my puppies, shelter quality.  I have very good lines and there's nothing wrong
with my decision to breed show/work lines.  Yes I studied the pedigree and it's a very good one.  My male
will improve temperament, pigment, bone and drive.  I have contacted the importer in Germany, AKC and a few
others.  I will get my papers, no thanks to the so called breeder.  These puppies are beautiful, have really good
bone, wonderful outgoing temperaments at 4 weeks old.  Will post a few pics on here in the classifieds.

Anyone on here want to ask her, why the dog isn't registered yet ?  Why she bred her to her VA male ????
Her website states that she only breeds titled dogs.   Hummm   And every dog she sells comes with a health
and hip guarantee.  She  made a point to tell me she is sold  "as is "

travel was part of the contract.  if that isn't paid then no she isn't paid for in full.  you haven't fulfilled your part of the contract and she isn't wrong in holding back the papers till you fulfill your part.

.  She  made a point to tell me she is sold  "as is "

You bought a dog "as is" and still owe money and expect papers?   Then you bred the dog with out papers and being able to register the litter?   Am I missing something?   

Maybe the point of this thread was for the poster to get attn and thats it. Nothing ever happens or does she do anything herself to rectify the situation. If we stop posting then she will go away for awhile.

Donna, I have been involved with GSDs far too long to believe this crap.  You bred a dog with NO PAPERS, and I am willing to bet you will NEVER EVER GET PAPERS on the female or the poor pups.  I just hope you are honest with people, let good homes adopt these pups for a reasonable fee, try a spay/neuter contract and hope it works, and try to keep up with them.  You ALONE CREATED POTENTIAL DISASTER FOR AN ENTIRE LITTER OF PUPS!!!  There is NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!  As breeders, we MUST be responsible for what we contribute!  You canNOT tell me this litter WELL PLANNED OUT AND YOU BRED THE FEMALE WITH NO TRUE SIGN EVEN GETTING PAPERS!!!  Does the female even HAVE AKC PAPERS???  You NEVER answered the popular question here of WHY YOU BRED A DOG WITH NO PAPERS????  To me, that is ASKING for disaster for the puppies.
As far as the dog former owner or whoever bred her twice and supposedly had no AKC papers, that is no less than AWFUL if true and that person is not on here (or are they?) to explain what (if ANYTHING) they were thinking and what happened to those poor dogs, if they are traceable via microchip or tattoo or if ANYTHING was done for the sake of the pups and prevent them for being euthanized if they end up in a shelter.
I will gladly apologize when I see one thing that makes me even question that this breeding was done for anything more than finanical gain....it sure as heck was NOT done to improve the breed, that is CLEAR!

NWilz     You can kiss my azz.  You people on here are pathetic.  I was told I was getting AKC papers when I
went to pick her up.  And just how much do you want to bet ?  I came on  here to warn people about her.
Not to get bashed because I was wronged !!!!!   She is a person I thought I could trust.  I am trustworthy. 

Financial gain are you serious ?  I breed to try and improve, because I love this breed.  Do you know me or
my dogs.  NO  then quit accusing me of things you know nothing about.    "it sure as heck was NOT to improve
the breed, that is CLEAR ??    I beg to differ.  These pups are amazing.  Who are you to say that a work / show
litter isn't  improving the breed.  My male is nice, improves temperament, bone, pigment and drive.  Between
the two of them they produced a very nice litter.  Nothing you can say will disprove that.   HAVE A NICE DAY ! 
If you've been in GSD for a long time then  you know you make nothing more that a few dollars, if done right.
By the time I have vet checked them, wormed, shots, papers, registered litter, paid for DNA etc.  Not to mention
dog food, puppy toy, collars.   How much money do you make on  your litters ?   Unless you have a  VA male
like  Christie, that breeds her dogs to death you don't make much.

Donna, I breed maybe once every five years ou don't know me, I don't know you so I will enlighten you.  I do, however, know of your male, Ghost.  Anyway, my last litter, there was no finanical gain, pups did not turn out as I wanted and I PLACED them, I will NEVER disclose how I had lost when I started counting it up, much less my total losses on the pups.  Plain, clean, and simple....I aim for the best, if I don't get it, I'm not charging someone for a second rate dog if they are willing to provide a good lifetime home and quality care.  The good ones all went to working homes, two went to pet homes...all have worked out and are very nice dogs just didn't reach my goal.  Were they an improvement to the breed?  From typical BYB stuff, yes, but in general I did not see a huge contribution to the breed.  I am in touch with all owners except one and they all love the dogs, the workers have excelled at narcotics and Personal Protection, the pets are treasured by children.  Their AKC papers went with them all.  They were nice, BUT I did not know the female's pedigree as well I should have, and though the female had been x-rayed, I am totally ashamed to admit was not OFA'd.  I placed them with full disclosure and everyone was thrilled to get a dog out of a very nice Czech import male and the daughter of two Slovak for basically nothing other than a promise of a good home, lifetime home, good care, and etc.  Homes were screened.  Just about every one is in a home with an LEO.  So it wasn't awful for the pups. But I can't live with breeding a litter and not knowing everything I possibly can about the parents....so I've spent four more years reseaching, saving to get better dogs, and a couple of years ago purchased Crack von Termorgen, my SchH3 baby who is also KKL1 but has not bred with me because I INSIST that he be bred to a female who will better working dogs and that female has only come along once and we missed the breeding.  I pretty much offer stud service and don't get into pups, too much time and if I do it my way, what I feel to be an improvement to the breed, I can't sell my pups for what I'd like to.  My love is with young people, just getting into GSDs, and starting them off with an awesome dog, they can handle and title and adore and LE who often expect donations.  I don't do this to make money, IF I EVER earn back 10% of what I've lost, I will be happy.  I do this because I love my dogs, it took me years to learn how to get the great ones and not get scammed by some BYB.  I am highly attached to my dogs and want health exams on everyone in their history to insure me that I have a good chance of a long time with my dog, even my father's PPD I trained for him is of excellent working lines and OFA's....he's about 5 now and never been bred.  My stud fee is about the same as yours on your untitled male with no hip score, again my dog is an Imported, SG rated, SchH3 (multiple times here and in Germany) and competed at Nationals here.  I have turned down breedings with him to females who were great but I just didn't feel were his best match to truly BETTER THE BREED.  No female without passing hip scores can even look at my male.  That's the way I do things.  Seen FAR too many dogs in shelters or urgent situations because the breeder did NOT do their part.  Makes me sick.  I love this breed and will do everything I can to better it, I don't accept just getting by, I want success.  That also involves more money than I can invest in just one female right now, much less a litter of pups, raising them right, etc....so as I sit here waiting for the day I will have another litter, knowing it will be better than the last...I can offer stud with my tremendous, proven working, titled, health tested, male to certain females.  So as for earnings, let's just stick with saying none and not get into how much I've lost.  I could have bred many litters by now out of subpar GSDs, but that's not my goal.
As far as your gains, I am quite sure Ghost has been bred enough to pay for himself (and certainly some OFA's on his hips!) as it looks like you breed pretty often.  On this litter with him, you bought a female for $1500, right?  Trying to sell the pups for $1250 right?  You have NO INVESTMENT IN PAPERS BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.  Assuming you feed top of the line and/.or raw, go to a pricy vet, and every other expense that can be incurred, in one litter you would not only pay for your female but getting some definite pocket change.  OF COURSE, lots of time is involved in raising pups right but I've never known of a great breeder who is truly paid for their time investment.
You come here on an open forum talking about how you are the victim when YOU dragged innocent puppies into this mess.  Something is not accurate here.  Appreciate the warning on this person, but looks like they are all show and I'm all work so will never deal with them anyway so the point is moot.  If you had not breed a female you had no papers on and had never even the papers for, I WOULD possibly feel sorry for you for not getting your papers as that is a very bad experience.  However, you claim to be a breeder, attempting to improve the breed, yet you breed a dog without the papers in your hand?  Just doesn't add up, and now the puppies and trusting buyers will pay the price.
ONCE MORE I WILL ASK, WHY DID YOU BREED A FEMALE YOU HAVE NO PAPERS TO?

Donna...  Do you have a clue how much it costs to buy and have a male that has the potential to go to a VA-rating, and then achieve that VA-rating??  Do you know how much it has cost for me to keep promoting him and all of the other dogs to achieve everything??  

And no...one male, even if he is a VA male, will not fix everything..

Your puppies are far too young to for you know anything at this point...  

Again, uphold the contract which you have signed...  I hope that the people buying your puppies don't 'forget' their checkbooks...I'm sure you wouldn't let your puppies leave if that were to happen....

I get a kick how she says everyone on here are lairs.Curious how long did you study the females pedigree? And after study the pedigree and having her for such a short time before breeding her you come to the conclusion perfect match? Your thinking hell females hips rated good so lets use her on my male even though his hips are not rated?You really make me laugh when you say you do it for the good of the breed and not the money.A few people here has asked why you bred her so quickly and I don't think you have answered that one.And let me guess you explained how you don't have the paperwork to the people that respond to your add on puppyfind?Oh and that apology you expect from everyone won't happen from me.YOU have poor breeding ethics and you can't be trusted.
Steve

You all need to lighten up on LTS, it quite obvious she can read dogs way better
than anyone else. I mean, she knows the dogs that she breeds without any 
health certifications have good hips & elbows, just like she knew, when that SL
female came into heat right away, well by god she had the perfect male to use on 
that female, her own WL male. Why was he the right choice? Because! 
He was the right choice for many reasons, such as-
-stud fee was affordable-FREE
-stud dog owner wouldn't ask for any pesky paperwork
--stud fee was FREE
-he was also the right male because the bitch owner wouldn't ask any 
prebreeding screening like brucellosis etc.

An alleged 'breeder' of 26 years that has not titled a dog, doesn't bother
to OFA (at a bare minimum) the dogs she breeds, and frequently has 
"issues" with paperwork on her dogs & litters. The last time it was the 
litter 'Hanna v Dach Haus' DOB 7-21-11 came from. Hanna was apparantly
also recently bred but evidently didn't take? Wasn't that the Jeron Stad Hrad
breeding you advertised? She also has no hip/elbow rating. Perhaps Russ
decided breeding a very young untitled female with no hip/elbow certification
was not a well thought out breeding and wouldn't let you use Jeron? Then 
for awhile you were trying to get someone to either buy or co-own that female
from Mike Delaney's breeding that you have, "Callie v Dach Haus", you were 
in a huge panic to get her sold but bred to Bomber v Wolfsheim first. 

At least you are consistant LTS.  You would think with some of the money
you made from the litter Hanna came from you could have OFA'd your dogs
before breeding them again (the same litter there was a hold up on AKC 
paperwork because you hadn't finished paying for the sire & dam -which you 
readily stated right here on this board). 

And I distinctly remember you advertising for someone to title Ghost, you 
made claim in your ad he was 'almost ready' for his SchH1, but I think you
wanted it done for about $500?  Lucca v Waldestraum apparantly has gone
the way of the wind and is no longer owned by you? As has Mara v Durnachtal?
Weren't they part of the last 'kennel reduction' sale you had? 

LTS, you claim to be an ethical breeder, and claim to be the victim. The fact is, 
you cycle through dogs quick as can be, you don't bother to do any of even the 
most bare minimal of health checks. The reality is, the only thing you take into
account when producing a litter is how much $$ you can rake in. You have a
track record of breeding dogs you don't have AKC paperwork for 
This right here is speaks volumes:
http://www.hoobly.com/members/5478157/

How do you even keep up with which dogs you actually own and don't
you go through them so fast? You claim to have to 'reduce' your kennel
due to having a bad knee, but yet are constantly on the hunt for cheap 
bitches to add to your 'program', you have no dogs from your own breedings
of 20+ years. LTS, after 20+ years you claim to have in the breed, you don't
seem to have any type of real breeding program whatsoever, instead,
you are just another BYB pumping out litter after litter after litter of pups,
trying to capitalize on the hard work and recognition of known kennels,
and it seems that  most times with your litters, AKC paperwork not available
due to some sort of drama.