Show line-working line mix, a revival of the breed? - Page 1

Perhaps this has already been discussed. What is your opinion on show-work mix? Wouldn't it produce dogs with better temperament and healthier anatomy? I've seen that professional breeders are not interested in mixing lines. Is it just because of market demand? I personally own a show line female and I am quite unsatisfied that she (and the show line overall) doesn't display too much of a guarding instinct, she's friendly to everyone and only barks at night (currently she is 8 and a half months old). Therefore, I 'm thinking of mating her (when the time comes and she proves bone-healthy, of course) to a working line male.

I am doing a show-working breeding this spring, but your post is WAY over simplifying things.  ANY breeding needs to take into account both pedigrees, both dogs' health, strengths and weaknesses, and how they compliment each other.  Crap in, crap out.  IMO breeding is more about using complimentary dogs/pedigrees to enhance traits you want than to breed a dog that lacks in some area to another dog in order to make up for it, if that makes sense?  If my dog didn't have the temperament I want, I wouldn't breed him, even with a stellar bitch that is everything I want.  I'm doing the breeding and keeping a puppy because I love BOTH halves of the pedigree and can appreciate how they will interact and compliment each other. My goal has nothing to do with "reviving" the breed or making up for either dogs' shortcomings. Both the owner of the bitch and I like both the dogs and want to own, train, and work the same types of dogs.  Working, show.....doesn't matter, we'd have to examine it the exact same way before making the decision.  It's not as simple as show line = good looks and working line = good temperament so a cross = great looks and temperament.  You're just as likely to get a nasty dog with a nasty temperament.  If you don't like your dog's temperament, buy a dog that has the temperament you like don't breed your dog.

Dont do it....please....because of the genetic state of these specialty lines today it is not as simple as you make it. The previous post explains some of the reasons.

my wgsl is super guard, ACT UP central, when anyone comes in the house or even gets to close to the front door for 2 long she goes banannas, if shes in her crate and i know ur comeing so i leave the door open for you and u come in she is retard city, til i take u in front of her crate with me and say, its ok, settle down. she has nerves of steal, he hs been to a military gun range, and it doesnt phase her, m4's and shotgun sometimes make me jump, she dont even care...............their are some "non woosy" sl's out there

I have been doing "successfully" for years. I am very pleased with the dogs I have been producing, and so are the State Police that utilize them.
I am breeding my showline with my DDR dog(s). I have 2 so far working with the police, and I have a litter due any minute, that 2 of, are going to the NYS Police.
You have to know your dogs, and your bloodlines. I have also told others that they are destroying their dogs, by mixing "any who" with "any what" and having no idea WHERE they are going next with their dogs.
I have a nice working line male I have had my eye on for awhile now that I would LOVE to incorporate into MY dogs,
BUT, considering my age, I am not certain I can "follow through" with where I would like to go with them.

BTW, I have my 100% showline male, ( my dog bred by Tracey Bullinger) that is the best personal protection dog a person could ever dream of owning.
He is totally perfect with kids of any age, but he anxiously awaits his opportunity to tear someone a new one.
Total credit for producing such a wonderful example of the breed goes to Bullinger Shepherds.
He actually got rooked of being able to shine like the others from his lines, when he came with me.
He could very easily have shared the spotlight with his father, Kevin V Murrtal. I love this dog, immensely.

Kitkat347 is a professional breeder FYI and knows various bloodlines and knows her dogs, that is important for successful breeding as I understand

The late Karl Fuller of "vom Kirschental" has done the show/working cross quite a bit from what I understand.  I was told that he used very stable working line males that were correct in structure to breed to his showline females.  I think he really knew the bloodlines and what they would produce.  I am not for or against doing a mixed breeding as long as someone is not trying to make up for major shortcomings on either parent.  

Best Regards,
Cheryl 

I forgot to add, my dogs that go to the police, go there "totally free of charge".
It is my way to give back to the breed, that I totally love. Aside from that, there is no amount of money, or nothing I could buy with the money, that could possibly make me feel better than I do, when I get them updates telling what a wonderful dog this one is, or that one.
I am going to start a thread here in a few with my latest brag e"mail and another successful huge bust of both drugs and money my dog is responsible for, and how MY dog is such a highly respected member of the police force.
My kids didn't do it, but my dogs are certainly kickin ass and doing me real proud.
What more could a mother ask for?
(Thank you Ibrahim)

"Wouldn't it produce dogs with better temperament and healthier anatomy?"


NO


if that was so then working line dogs and show line dogs would just be .....dogs, think about it logically if the extreme (deformed imo) shape of the show dog made them physically superior then all working line dogs would look that way, same with temperament. i have not met many working dog folks that have any bias toward shape, colour or even breed they will take whatever does the job.

the cross is getting more popular because more of the public just want something that is not a show dog.  some breeders that make the cross can advertise working AND show line from the same litter and have more chance of moving product to pet homes that neither want to show at a high level or work their dog, the big black wolf-like dog with a lab tempereament is becoming very fashionable in pet homes and the web-sites of breeders supplying this trend are popping up everywhere.

jmo