Walter Martin talks - Page 1

Published on Jan 15, 2013

Walter Martin (von der Wienerau) lectures from 1985 when he was in Colorado, USA doing breed surveys. Uploaded for it's great educational and historical value!

R.I.P. Walter Martin.

Thanks to Ed Frawley (Leerburg) for recording it.

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V Berta vom Lorscher Sand
Von der Wienerau

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/search.html?q=von+der+Wienerau&index_in=All&results_in=25&dog_breed=

The Full recording is 3:38 hours. I watched the lectures several times, sometimes on youtube (somehow) it plays only 40 minutes. In the full recording you will see him in different clothes, different location.. I enjoyed every single minute, hopefully you will too.

I have a request to the more knowlegable and good English speakers: It would be of great benefit if you sum up for us what Martin said about the Pillar dogs, bloodlines, virtues and shortcomings, in a neutral scientific presentation, no show vs work, just what the man said. Due to my not perfect English and not knowing all the dog's names etc it would be difficult for me to do that myself. Thanks

I was able to listen to the whole thing. ( three hours) Very nice post Ibrahim.
It is hard to sum up... 
He said Berta vom Lorscher Sand was his foundation female, a daughter of VA1 Alf vom Nordfelsen but he said so much more.
He used many famous past dogs like Fix zu den Sieben-Faulen.  How the tatoo program was implemented because people were sending  in x-rays that did not belong to the dog the pedigree belonged to in the begining of the program. How the dog's papers must allways stay with the dog in Germany with no keeping papers for money owed.

He liked to do some linebreeding, in some cases closer than 4-5  but that what mattered most was the quality of the dog, and if they looked like the ancestor they were linebred on. 
He spoke of Dixie Wienerau, the L Wienerau litter and many others revieling which of the Wienerau dogs were stronger in temperament and which were not. I thought it was funny he said that the brother of Lido von der Wienerau called Luno von der Wienerau was too small and therefore he sold the dog to France, but soon after the SV moved towards smaller more athletic dogs.

It is a very rich interview, full of details about past dogs  Hard to sum up 3 hours...lol

Thank you very much Ibrahim.

Thank you GSD Lineage, that is very good.
I am interested in the part where he spoke about the traits of Canto and Quanto and the differences between them. Then I am interested in understanding how he proved that Canto and Quanto are same bloodline not two different bloodlines, that I did not get.

Ibrahim

Things I found very interesing:

1. I understand this man better after heaing his views and feeling the passion he had for the breed which I now know was his top motive, NOTHING ELSE.
2. He believed in both, correct anatomy and temperament.
3. His dogs were hard dogs plus well structured.
4. He made mistakes.
5. In the 80s he said then 95% of the breed was from two dogs, Canto & Quanto
6. Why mixing both gave great results, because they go back to same bloodline.
7. Mutz himself was great but not his sons.
8. He believed in correct hind angulation and was against over hind angulation and explained why when he described how power starts from there then through the back to the front.
9. His explanation why flat feet is a big serious fault.
10. He evaluated dog's structure through watching it move.
11. It wasn't easy even for him or for his friends to pick up the star as a puppy
12. At a certain time people liked and preferred big sized dogs.
13. He thinks a great dog is not due to what it had but due to what it passed on.
14. Also where roached back vame from and why (Rommel liked it).
15. Also his pressing that a dog should not get startled and should not hesitate
16. He was a big believer in shutzhund and breed structure should remain hand in hand, no seperation

So many other points but that what comes forward at the moment, lol

He definitely had passion for the breed!

He said V1 Canto von der Wienerau was the more muscular high wither and beautiful dog. VA2 Quanto von der Wienerau was sold as a puppy and cost a lot to buy back. He looked exacly like a teddy bear as a puppy great nice head, great color and lots of hair, not long hair, but much hair. He spoke more on the temperament of Lido and Luno being hard.

I did not catch too much about Canto. Did anyone else?

Yes, at one time 95 % of the registered dogs in Germany went back to Canto, Quando or both, but soon it would pass into the 6th generation he said, and not be seen. Both go back to Dixie Wienerau, both have ancestry in common, and are of the same line yet produced well as individuals too.


That is a good list Ibrahim.

Ibrahim Said:

I am interested in the part where he spoke about the traits of Canto and Quanto and the differences between them. Then I am interested in understanding how he proved that Canto and Quanto are same bloodline not two different bloodlines, that I did not get.