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by Mystere on 12 March 2013 - 19:03
Nope.
Kim,
Nice, isn't it, that USCA's president takes the time to talk to a non-member, while the WDA president cannot be bothered to respond to inquiries regarding the WUSV Championship, huh?
Kim,
Nice, isn't it, that USCA's president takes the time to talk to a non-member, while the WDA president cannot be bothered to respond to inquiries regarding the WUSV Championship, huh?
by Mystere on 12 March 2013 - 20:03
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by bubbabooboo on 12 March 2013 - 20:03
Look for me in Limburgerhof .. where in the world is Bubbabooboo??
by Dobermannman on 12 March 2013 - 20:03
Part of the Alloway letter to UScA members reads
"Each organization may charge a reasonable fee to enter one another's events so long as that fee is "reasonable and not intended to punish or discourage participation." We are working with the WDA to establish this fee. USCA's fee will be the same for all non-members and USCA will drop any / all scorebook certification fees / processes."
Does that last sentence mean UScA will also recognize any AWDF score book without them having to be stamped/certified ($20-$40 fee) in the future?
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09) BH TT
"Each organization may charge a reasonable fee to enter one another's events so long as that fee is "reasonable and not intended to punish or discourage participation." We are working with the WDA to establish this fee. USCA's fee will be the same for all non-members and USCA will drop any / all scorebook certification fees / processes."
Does that last sentence mean UScA will also recognize any AWDF score book without them having to be stamped/certified ($20-$40 fee) in the future?
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09) BH TT
by Dobermannman on 12 March 2013 - 20:03
It's amusing when most of the posters on the PDB are hiding behind user names that all of a sudden everyone is worried about who Bubbabooboo is ? :-)
Thomas Barriano (part of the 2% that actually uses his real name)
Thomas Barriano (part of the 2% that actually uses his real name)
by bubbabooboo on 12 March 2013 - 21:03
Let's all pay the same fee as the USCA members have been paying for WDA trials for the last 4 years??? I think that is zero extra but enlighten me if I am wrong. USCA members entering WDA events pay the same fees as WDA members?? Come on USCA members how much extra has the WDA charged you??. Alloway's letter is interesting but the WUSV has the final word on any surcharges and the letter said none. If the WDA and USCA come to an agreement the WUSV may still void it if it does not abide by the WUSV constitution. Neither the WDA, GSDCA, nor the USCA can ignore the WUSV constitution without consequences. One ring to rule them all!!
by bubbabooboo on 12 March 2013 - 21:03
Thomas .. come to WDA trials .. no extra fees and your scores must be accepted by USCA if by a SV judge or Koermeister (or acknowledged by the WUSV). The FCI must accept SV scores as well as the SV is a member of the VDH and the FCI.
by SitasMom on 12 March 2013 - 21:03
Posted on Facebook............now can we all play nice and work together for our favorite breed?
March 12, 2013
Valued Member:
USCA / WDA
SV Visit
This past week I had the privilege of meeting both Mr. Wolfgang Henke and Mr. Clemens Lux in Augsburg at the SV office. Both were welcoming, polite, cordial, and positive about resolving past and future issues.
The objectives of the trip were two-fold: (1) clarity on a few of the issues and possible interpretations of the letter we received (2) begin a relationship with them built on trust and mutual understanding and, with face-to-face interaction, assure them that USCA has no intentions of constitutional violations.
Both men were bright, articulate, witty, and well informed. Very quickly Mr. Henke described his primary considerations when making decisions - the future breeding of German Shepherd Dog and German Shepherd Dogs around the world. I'm aware that many of you took insult to the letter that we received on March 1, 2013 - they expressed that their intent was not to insult / disrespect / or show anger - they just wanted a problem resolved. They were both very clear that the present issues were not the result of hasty judgment or recent development, but rather a history of miscommunication. They did not want to order USCA around or degrade / demean our relationship . . . they simply wanted quick resolution.
I was assured that our position in the WUSV is secure and not in jeopardy so long as we do not violate the constitution. I was also assured that the WUSV has no plans to try to eliminate one club and that both clubs are valued with equal importance to the WUSV/SV.
Results of the meeting:
* The WUSV confirmed that they view the GSDCA and WDA as the same organization. They understand that legally they are separate organizations but they view as the same and they would like USCA to also. They want the GSD organizations to work together and both to stop fighting with each other. Other countries with a similar situation have been working cooperatively since 2010 (or earlier), when the provision in the WUSV Constitution was first ratified.
* Each organization is to accept the scorebooks, titles, and ratings from the other.
* Each organization is to allow entry into club events so long as the bearer of the scorebook is a member of USCA, GSDCA, or WDA.
* USCA will accept all WDA judges' titles and ratings. WDA will reciprocate.
* Each organization may charge a reasonable fee to enter one another's events so long as that fee is "reasonable and not intended to punish or discourage participation." We are working with the WDA to establish this fee. USCA's fee will be the same for all non-members and USCA will drop any / all scorebook certification fees / processes.
* Because each organization still sends 10 dogs to the Qualification Trial, each organization may limit participation at championships to members only as this is part of the qualification process and a member benefit.
* Clubs may not deny trial entry to any individual based on club affiliation.
* Each organization may reserve spots to their organization's members in the event of a full trial. Example (if a WDA club hosting a trial has only 1 spot open, they may hold that spot for a WDA member and vice versa).
I am proud . . . very proud, to be the president of this fine organization. I want the best for our German Shepherd Dogs, the sport of IPO, and the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. I've asked the board and now ask each of you to do your best to embrace members of other organizations. We have been "fighting" for years and I believe that for so many reasons it is time to just stop. Our country, our breed, our sport is so small comparatively, that cooperation will yield great results. We won't all get along . . . that is life. But we all do this for the love of our breed and sport. I have faith that the members of this great organization can put differences aside and focus on the cake, not the crumbs. Be gracious hosts. Be facilitators. Help. Educate. Learn. Grow. As one member of the EB said, "let's build bridges, not tear them down."
Let's now focus our efforts on USCA . . . not the "fight." Let's innovate, let's get creative with new / fresh ideas about how to improve USCA. Let's focus our energies on things that truly matter . . . programs, youth, training, events, judging, education, breeding, sponsorship, organizational synergy, growth, processes . . . let's make big strides in the years to come!
As always, if there is anything I can do for any of you, please let me know. I appreciate your membership, your support, and all that you do for USCA.
Yours in the sport,
Jim Alloway
United Schutzhund Clubs of America
March 12, 2013
Valued Member:
USCA / WDA
SV Visit
This past week I had the privilege of meeting both Mr. Wolfgang Henke and Mr. Clemens Lux in Augsburg at the SV office. Both were welcoming, polite, cordial, and positive about resolving past and future issues.
The objectives of the trip were two-fold: (1) clarity on a few of the issues and possible interpretations of the letter we received (2) begin a relationship with them built on trust and mutual understanding and, with face-to-face interaction, assure them that USCA has no intentions of constitutional violations.
Both men were bright, articulate, witty, and well informed. Very quickly Mr. Henke described his primary considerations when making decisions - the future breeding of German Shepherd Dog and German Shepherd Dogs around the world. I'm aware that many of you took insult to the letter that we received on March 1, 2013 - they expressed that their intent was not to insult / disrespect / or show anger - they just wanted a problem resolved. They were both very clear that the present issues were not the result of hasty judgment or recent development, but rather a history of miscommunication. They did not want to order USCA around or degrade / demean our relationship . . . they simply wanted quick resolution.
I was assured that our position in the WUSV is secure and not in jeopardy so long as we do not violate the constitution. I was also assured that the WUSV has no plans to try to eliminate one club and that both clubs are valued with equal importance to the WUSV/SV.
Results of the meeting:
* The WUSV confirmed that they view the GSDCA and WDA as the same organization. They understand that legally they are separate organizations but they view as the same and they would like USCA to also. They want the GSD organizations to work together and both to stop fighting with each other. Other countries with a similar situation have been working cooperatively since 2010 (or earlier), when the provision in the WUSV Constitution was first ratified.
* Each organization is to accept the scorebooks, titles, and ratings from the other.
* Each organization is to allow entry into club events so long as the bearer of the scorebook is a member of USCA, GSDCA, or WDA.
* USCA will accept all WDA judges' titles and ratings. WDA will reciprocate.
* Each organization may charge a reasonable fee to enter one another's events so long as that fee is "reasonable and not intended to punish or discourage participation." We are working with the WDA to establish this fee. USCA's fee will be the same for all non-members and USCA will drop any / all scorebook certification fees / processes.
* Because each organization still sends 10 dogs to the Qualification Trial, each organization may limit participation at championships to members only as this is part of the qualification process and a member benefit.
* Clubs may not deny trial entry to any individual based on club affiliation.
* Each organization may reserve spots to their organization's members in the event of a full trial. Example (if a WDA club hosting a trial has only 1 spot open, they may hold that spot for a WDA member and vice versa).
I am proud . . . very proud, to be the president of this fine organization. I want the best for our German Shepherd Dogs, the sport of IPO, and the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. I've asked the board and now ask each of you to do your best to embrace members of other organizations. We have been "fighting" for years and I believe that for so many reasons it is time to just stop. Our country, our breed, our sport is so small comparatively, that cooperation will yield great results. We won't all get along . . . that is life. But we all do this for the love of our breed and sport. I have faith that the members of this great organization can put differences aside and focus on the cake, not the crumbs. Be gracious hosts. Be facilitators. Help. Educate. Learn. Grow. As one member of the EB said, "let's build bridges, not tear them down."
Let's now focus our efforts on USCA . . . not the "fight." Let's innovate, let's get creative with new / fresh ideas about how to improve USCA. Let's focus our energies on things that truly matter . . . programs, youth, training, events, judging, education, breeding, sponsorship, organizational synergy, growth, processes . . . let's make big strides in the years to come!
As always, if there is anything I can do for any of you, please let me know. I appreciate your membership, your support, and all that you do for USCA.
Yours in the sport,
Jim Alloway
United Schutzhund Clubs of America
by EliDog on 12 March 2013 - 21:03
Everyone hold hands now......
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Keith
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Keith
by Dobermannman on 12 March 2013 - 21:03
I would if they had any WDA clubs/trial in Colorado. We're down to two UScA clubs (There are now more Mondio Ring clubs) and four DVG.
Thomas Barriano
Thomas Barriano
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