Karma is a Bitch.... - Page 8

Blitzen surely you must be jesting. 
Let me see,.....think, think, think,..... why to export, why do people export dogs or anything, hmmmmm, ......Are you so naive that you think that breeders from Europe are in their free time breeding and exporting dogs to altruistically help beloved American breeders to have better dogs?
 OK I am done here beam me up Scotty........ 
Prager Hans

Brittany I always tell people in my direct and  in my famously  "congenial" way : "If it is so good  and beneficial for the dog,  then why don't you cut your bxxxx off? "

Brittany maybe someone told to these people that they could get a brain cancer. .:) 

Prager said:

Blitzen surely you must be jesting. 
Let me see,.....think, think, think,..... why to export, why do people export dogs or anything, hmmmmm, ......Are you so naive that you think that breeders from Europe are in their free time breeding and exporting dogs to altruistically help beloved American breeders to have better dogs?
 OK I am done here beam me up Scotty........ 
Prager Hans



Yes, someone had better beam you up if you don't realize that what you said above makes YOU look bad not ME....hmmm. These "beloved American breeders" are helping put food on the table for those breeders and brokers from Europe, yourself included. Maybe they deserve a little more from you than ridicule? Maybe you are the one who should think, think, think....hmmm.

You also said  ... knowledge of individual dogs on the pedigree, breeding principles  and genetics of most US breeders is atrocious.
 

A shortage of adoptable dogs in San Diego? Unbelievable!

Blitzen, they make a lot of money adopting out dogs. The breeder regulations are to cap the 'competition' of breeders, to enhance the demand for adoption dogs. Heck I have a very good friend who is in the 'rescue/adoption' business who frequently hopscotch transports "adopted" dogs (puppies are preferred) to new England because of a waiting list for adoptions. It's very profitable industry; a kennel in the NE which dealt exclusively in adoption dogs, even imported 'rescue dogs/puppies from Puerto Rico, and Mexico, brought in $700,000 per year.
If a person takes into consideration the money at stake in these 'rescues', it is logical to see why small, hobby breeders are having regulations which put them out of business. The big, 'professional, USDA licensed commercial breeders (ie, puppy mills) are left unimpeded by the very regulations which the general public are led to believe are being shut down.

Advertising on tv, labor through volunteers, commodity (live stock/ dogs, puppies) and transport is free or donated. What business would not thrive with this set up. There are waiting lists all over the country for adoptions.

I know I will be soundly attacked for putting this information out here, but "life's a bitch and then you die."

Hans: Brittany I always tell people in my direct and in my famously "congenial" way : "If it is so good and beneficial for the dog, then why don't you cut your bxxxx off? "

I always get a cop out excuse when I rebuttal my sophisticated POV. I always get told "That is different". How exactly are we more different than our dogs? Sure we are built different. We are both warm blooded mammals that are prone to cancers. If neutering and spaying our dogs produces actual beneficial results, then we should take the lead and start getting the procedure done to ourselves. Isn't that why we have lab rats to experiment drugs and other products on? To see the negatives and positives?

Oh, I don't doubt that for a second, Joanro. I have a few friends in LA county who are battling these crazy dogs laws every day. One moved her kennel to a different county so she was not going to be subjected to all the neutering laws that were coming down the pike. I don't know if they passed yet or not, she had about 13 dogs, all intact. Every now and then I see on TV a family with a dog they proudly proclaim they have adopted from outside the US. It's a really bad situation for every dog breeder. It seems that everything in the US has to be at one end of extreme or the other - I think that gets dog owners into more trouble than then we can handle. I don't know why anyone would object to that news story being posted here.

I think the breed-specific rescues seem to do a better job overall. Ours here in Tampa is administered by a GSD breeder who I think does a great job.

Blitzen  no your post does not make you look bad, but  only not very sophisticated. Can you please post here where I was ridiculing American breeders? When I said that:..." knowledge of individual dogs on the pedigree, breeding principles  and genetics of most US breeders is atrocious." as an answer to your question; why people import dogs from Europe,...I was not ridiculing anyone,  I was stating mere facts. ( Yes there are rare exceptions. )
When I said :Are you so naive that you think that breeders from Europe are in their free time breeding and exporting dogs to altruistically help beloved American breeders to have better dogs?
I was being facetious and making fun of your naive, and ignorant questions. You make it so easy that I have hard time to resist. I am sorry for that. 

By the way FYI: Breeders who buy dogs from  me  (and the ones who do not too) get full support on their breeding program from me and Jiri. We conduct seminars on the topic and answer all questions honestly through e mails and phone calls and in person. I also have forum where we discuss these topics freely and with respect of each other. I do that strictly for the sake of the breed. I do it mostly without making any profit and spending great amount of time making myself available to anyone who asks.  ( What do you do for GSD?) But unfortunately there is only handful of people interested in these topics.These US breeders are  in no way able to fulfill the demand for quality of old style European and in our case old style Czech dogs. That is why  people keep importing them from Europe to US. And yes the European breeders make money on it. Same as any exporter does. Why do people export , beer, cars, machinery, anything?!  That is why they to export these dogs to US and not for you illogical  reasons which you are here insinuating or even directly stating. 
Prager Hans
 

Paul
Thank you for the kind invitation...I think it would be a very interesting holiday and I know we would have some very interesting discussions - but I would never leave my dogs for that length of time, even in my OH's care :) 
The limitation with a forum is that there is much more that you wish you could add which you could in an hour long conversation, but not in a five minute post.
Regarding buying dogs in one's own country, as Blitzen said, there is such a diversity of bloodlines available both in the USA and in Europe these days following years of importing dogs, that there must be some fantastic pups availabe on home turf.