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by Dobermannman on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Rik None of that has anything to do with the topic "the qualification trial"
The scores show a clear pattern of Mike Caputo under rating ALL the WDA team members.
I'm not a member of GSDCA or WDA or the SV. I am a UScA member and have been for 10+ years. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore a clear example of favoritism. If you've got better dogs and are a better trainer then you don't need to cheat..
Thomas Barriano
The scores show a clear pattern of Mike Caputo under rating ALL the WDA team members.
I'm not a member of GSDCA or WDA or the SV. I am a UScA member and have been for 10+ years. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore a clear example of favoritism. If you've got better dogs and are a better trainer then you don't need to cheat..
Thomas Barriano
by Dobermannman on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Charlie,
I'm not defending you. You're just the latest target of the nasty personal attack style from the same group of regulars
Thomas Barriano
I'm not defending you. You're just the latest target of the nasty personal attack style from the same group of regulars
Thomas Barriano
by bubbabooboo on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Steve1 .. The short answer to your question of "why" is that the USCA is like a puppy that poops in the floor and turns over the garbage can every time you leave the house for five minutes. Neither the poop or the garbage on the floor is a huge problem but it does get old and if you let it continue without attending to the root problem it will not get better.
The longer answer is that the WDA and the USCA were once one organization in the early 1980's but they split up and went separate ways and that is why they are both WUSV members along with the GSDCA which is the GSD member of the AKC and predates either the WDA or the USCA by 50 or 60 years (100 year anniversary 2013). The AKC also predates the FCI and like most of the former UK colonies breed clubs are mostly not members of the FCI. There is no FCI member in the United States but the FCI and the AKC have a live and let live agreement that neither will trample on the other. An AKC pedigree is recognized by the FCI and that is really all you need. In return FCI pedigree dogs are accepted into the AKC registry and recognized. This is some background information that is needed to explain why the USCA is such a pain in the ass and routinely turns over the garbage can and poops in the floor when they think no one is looking. The stated goal of the USCA has been and continues today to be the only GSD organization in the USA and to overthrow the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA destroy them and burn their organizations to the ground. The latest round in this little dirty war started in 2002 or thereabouts when the USCA was trying to get the WDA to merge with the USCA. The merger type the USCA had in mind was the same one that Hitler had in mind when he merged Germany with Poland. Fortunately for the WDA they instead merged or aligned as a part of the GSDCA and formed the GSDCA-WDA which is a separate entity with it's own leadership and rules. Another thing you should know Steve1 is that the USCA does not have one man and one vote but instead votes with 1 vote per club based on internal club voting which obviously squashes any dissent or people who disagree with the national or club USCA leadership. Following the failed coup on the WDA which then became the GSDCA-WDA the USCA decided that the GSDCA-WDA did not exist and would not be recognized. The WUSV and every other WUSV member worldwide has continuously recognized the WDA and then the GSDCA-WDA along with the GSDCA as WUSV members but the USCA decided they were not WUSV members all on their own and alone in the world. This was in the 2002-2004 time frame. Then around 2006 the USCA decided that dual membership with the GSDCA-WDA and the USCA was no longer allowed for ALL USCA members. This meant that GSDCA-WDA members could no longer be members of the USCA and that any USCA member with membership in both the USCA and the GSDCA-WDA had to quit one organization. The GSDCA-WDA had and has never had any such rule and dual membership is allowed for all but Executive Board and Officers .. everyone else can be a dual member but the USCA will kick out any USCA member with a GSDCA-WDA or GSDCA membership. Furthermore the USCA decided that GSDCA-WDA members could no longer participate in USCA schutzhund/IPO trials although the GSDCA-WDA continuously welcomed USCA members to their schutzhund/IPO trials. The WUSV advised the USCA that their actions were not according to the WUSV constitution in 2008 and passed an unanimous resolution at their congresses in 2010 and in 2012 ammended the WUSV constitution to make it mandatory to accept Scorebooks and entries from other WUSV member organizations for all WUSV member clubs. The USCA ignored all of these rules and continued their illegal action under the WUSV constitution and a strategy of not allowing GSDCA-WDA participation in USCA events. The USCA also would not recognize GSDCA-WDA scorebooks with SV judges scores in them. USCA members with GSDCA-WDA event scores from SV judges had to retitle their dogs as the SV judges scores were not recognized by the USCA if in a GSDCA-WDA scorebook. Finally in 2013 Daniel Yee President of the GSDCA-WDA asked Jim Alloway president of the USCA when the USCA was going to obey the WUSV constitution and the answer was "it might just be too difficult for the clubs to do" and it would take more time. The president of the WUSV judged a small GSDCA-WDA trial in Arizona in Feb 2013 but the USCA still didn't get the message and continued to drag their heels ( after 5+ years of breaking the WUSV constitution ). The WUSV then wrote the USCA a letter saying obey the WUSV constitution or be suspended and potentially expelled from the WUSV if the USCA did not obey the WUSV constitution. After having voted for both the binding resolution and the change in the constitution of the WUSV the response from the USCA was "we didn't know". Now bear in mind that the GSDCA-WDA had continuously recognized USCA scorebooks and that the GSDCA-WDA had continuously accepted USCA members into their trials without additional charges during the entire time the USCA had malicously and intentionally disobeyed the WUSV constitution ( a period of 5 years ). After the USCA was forced to obey the WUSV constitution by decree and possible expulsion unfortunately the WUSV left the USCA a tiny chance to poison the well and they did so by adding a $50 surcharge for any GSDCA-WDA member entering a USCA IPO trial. Also the USCA club holding the IPO trial can expel a GSDCA-WDA member who enters the trial which can only happen if there are open slots unfilled but if some USCA member at the last minute wants the GSDCA-WDA members spot they kick the GSDCA-WDA member out. The GSDCA-WDA accepts USCA members and their scorebooks with no additional surcharges as was the case continuously in the past. The USCA official position on all of this was "they didn't know they were breaking WUSV rules" and that the GSDCA-WDA after 5 years of abuse were cry babies for telling the WUSV that enough was enough. The dual membership exclusion continues and any USCA member found to be a member of the GSDCA or GSDCA-WDA is expelled from the USCA. That gives you a brief on the "why" a lot of people are fed up with the USCA pooping in the floor and turning over the garbage cans when no one is looking. The WUSV qualifier in recent years is another tale of the USCA behaving badly but I will save it for the second book in the series. There are plenty of more examples of bad behavior but they require more time and space than I have. After all of this it appears to me that playing nice with the USCA gets the rest of the GSD world nothing. The WUSV qualifier is a continuing reminder that the USCA will never act in a fair and sportsman like manner without supervision.
The longer answer is that the WDA and the USCA were once one organization in the early 1980's but they split up and went separate ways and that is why they are both WUSV members along with the GSDCA which is the GSD member of the AKC and predates either the WDA or the USCA by 50 or 60 years (100 year anniversary 2013). The AKC also predates the FCI and like most of the former UK colonies breed clubs are mostly not members of the FCI. There is no FCI member in the United States but the FCI and the AKC have a live and let live agreement that neither will trample on the other. An AKC pedigree is recognized by the FCI and that is really all you need. In return FCI pedigree dogs are accepted into the AKC registry and recognized. This is some background information that is needed to explain why the USCA is such a pain in the ass and routinely turns over the garbage can and poops in the floor when they think no one is looking. The stated goal of the USCA has been and continues today to be the only GSD organization in the USA and to overthrow the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA destroy them and burn their organizations to the ground. The latest round in this little dirty war started in 2002 or thereabouts when the USCA was trying to get the WDA to merge with the USCA. The merger type the USCA had in mind was the same one that Hitler had in mind when he merged Germany with Poland. Fortunately for the WDA they instead merged or aligned as a part of the GSDCA and formed the GSDCA-WDA which is a separate entity with it's own leadership and rules. Another thing you should know Steve1 is that the USCA does not have one man and one vote but instead votes with 1 vote per club based on internal club voting which obviously squashes any dissent or people who disagree with the national or club USCA leadership. Following the failed coup on the WDA which then became the GSDCA-WDA the USCA decided that the GSDCA-WDA did not exist and would not be recognized. The WUSV and every other WUSV member worldwide has continuously recognized the WDA and then the GSDCA-WDA along with the GSDCA as WUSV members but the USCA decided they were not WUSV members all on their own and alone in the world. This was in the 2002-2004 time frame. Then around 2006 the USCA decided that dual membership with the GSDCA-WDA and the USCA was no longer allowed for ALL USCA members. This meant that GSDCA-WDA members could no longer be members of the USCA and that any USCA member with membership in both the USCA and the GSDCA-WDA had to quit one organization. The GSDCA-WDA had and has never had any such rule and dual membership is allowed for all but Executive Board and Officers .. everyone else can be a dual member but the USCA will kick out any USCA member with a GSDCA-WDA or GSDCA membership. Furthermore the USCA decided that GSDCA-WDA members could no longer participate in USCA schutzhund/IPO trials although the GSDCA-WDA continuously welcomed USCA members to their schutzhund/IPO trials. The WUSV advised the USCA that their actions were not according to the WUSV constitution in 2008 and passed an unanimous resolution at their congresses in 2010 and in 2012 ammended the WUSV constitution to make it mandatory to accept Scorebooks and entries from other WUSV member organizations for all WUSV member clubs. The USCA ignored all of these rules and continued their illegal action under the WUSV constitution and a strategy of not allowing GSDCA-WDA participation in USCA events. The USCA also would not recognize GSDCA-WDA scorebooks with SV judges scores in them. USCA members with GSDCA-WDA event scores from SV judges had to retitle their dogs as the SV judges scores were not recognized by the USCA if in a GSDCA-WDA scorebook. Finally in 2013 Daniel Yee President of the GSDCA-WDA asked Jim Alloway president of the USCA when the USCA was going to obey the WUSV constitution and the answer was "it might just be too difficult for the clubs to do" and it would take more time. The president of the WUSV judged a small GSDCA-WDA trial in Arizona in Feb 2013 but the USCA still didn't get the message and continued to drag their heels ( after 5+ years of breaking the WUSV constitution ). The WUSV then wrote the USCA a letter saying obey the WUSV constitution or be suspended and potentially expelled from the WUSV if the USCA did not obey the WUSV constitution. After having voted for both the binding resolution and the change in the constitution of the WUSV the response from the USCA was "we didn't know". Now bear in mind that the GSDCA-WDA had continuously recognized USCA scorebooks and that the GSDCA-WDA had continuously accepted USCA members into their trials without additional charges during the entire time the USCA had malicously and intentionally disobeyed the WUSV constitution ( a period of 5 years ). After the USCA was forced to obey the WUSV constitution by decree and possible expulsion unfortunately the WUSV left the USCA a tiny chance to poison the well and they did so by adding a $50 surcharge for any GSDCA-WDA member entering a USCA IPO trial. Also the USCA club holding the IPO trial can expel a GSDCA-WDA member who enters the trial which can only happen if there are open slots unfilled but if some USCA member at the last minute wants the GSDCA-WDA members spot they kick the GSDCA-WDA member out. The GSDCA-WDA accepts USCA members and their scorebooks with no additional surcharges as was the case continuously in the past. The USCA official position on all of this was "they didn't know they were breaking WUSV rules" and that the GSDCA-WDA after 5 years of abuse were cry babies for telling the WUSV that enough was enough. The dual membership exclusion continues and any USCA member found to be a member of the GSDCA or GSDCA-WDA is expelled from the USCA. That gives you a brief on the "why" a lot of people are fed up with the USCA pooping in the floor and turning over the garbage cans when no one is looking. The WUSV qualifier in recent years is another tale of the USCA behaving badly but I will save it for the second book in the series. There are plenty of more examples of bad behavior but they require more time and space than I have. After all of this it appears to me that playing nice with the USCA gets the rest of the GSD world nothing. The WUSV qualifier is a continuing reminder that the USCA will never act in a fair and sportsman like manner without supervision.
by Rik on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
well then Thomas, why did you go off topic with your reply to me. what are we, the unwashed, supposed to believe. the comments from Wallace, who has been there done that. the comments from Kevin, one of the bright stars in the U.S. or maybe the comments from European trainers like steve and susie.
just asking,
Rik Atchley
just asking,
Rik Atchley
by bubbabooboo on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Rik you are getting pretty desperate with your lies .. I have yet to produce a GSD that has dysplastic hips and if you can find one do it or STFU with your lies and stay on the subject. If Wallace is a star I want his autograph you idiot!! Also if I have bred a female under the allowed age under SV rules enlighten me .. just another of your lies. And what the hell is a health certificate for?? Make up something better next time Rik.
by Rik on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Thomas, you are defending a breeder who breeds underage/dysplastic dogs without health certs/breed surveys. Honestly, having started with Dobermans many years ago
and that is me on the end of the leash, I'm pretty happy you didn't choose the GSD as your breed.
and that is me on the end of the leash, I'm pretty happy you didn't choose the GSD as your breed.
by bubbabooboo on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
Did the USCA save the USA bred GSD by buying imports Rik?? Look at the USCA members dogs at the WUSV qualifier or I guess the USCA doesn't even look at the dogs anymore because it is all about their egos and the dog is just an accessory to the ego. Nobody in the USCA has ever bred a national winner in anything as far as I know in 30 years of pompous chest beating about the USCA is saving the GSD in the USA.
by Rik on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
yes, booboo, the UScA did save the the Am.GSD from what the GSDCA created. And if you want to debate this, then start another thread and let's see what the GSDCA created.
I'll post my AKC/GSDCA Champions and their issues after you post yours.
Rik Atchley
I'll post my AKC/GSDCA Champions and their issues after you post yours.
Rik Atchley
by bubbabooboo on 06 June 2013 - 00:06
There are 3.5 million GSD in the USA and 3.49 million of them were not bred by the USCA or the membership .. so what part of saving did the USCA do?? The SV sells and exports along with the other European breeders far more GSD dogs to the USA (and many to USCA members) than the USCA members breed each year so I guess the European GSD breeders are saving the American GSD?? What a hoot .. the USCA is saving the American GSD indeed. Get a grip Rik.
by Rik on 06 June 2013 - 00:06
the what is a real GSD part. and again, I invite you to post what you accomplished in that 3.5 million GSD and I will post mine after.
Rik Atchley
Rik Atchley
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