2013 AWDF trial Ivan/Ebor protection - Page 3

Does it matter that they aren't in the compilation, seeing as how both videos linked are from the same trial? He caught all the dogs in the same manner, Ebor just happened to have an off day, it happens.

NP (What's your real name and background please)

Ebor didn't have an off day. Marcus made a bad catch,. nothing more nothing less.
If you don't decoy, you can't say anything? If you weren't there (competing or observing?) you can't say anything?
The compilation video that Marcus posted is impressive, nice work but it doesn't change the fact that Ebor got a bad presentation/catch and it likely cost him the Championship. Ivan and Ebor will be back and I'm sure Marcus will continue to decoy the big events. 

Thomas Barriano

Thomas, what part of Ebor came under the helper and never left his feet are you struggling to comprehend?  A lessor helper than Marcus might have had his legs taken out from under him and/or hurt the dog..

Kevin .. any idea where the video missing from the compilation of back half helper work is .. not shown in the compilation but it would be better quality and settle the argument.  As far as I could tell the compilation video of back half helper work 2013 AWDF protection left out Ebor and Ivan??  Show the complete video of Ebor and Ivan back half and all can be explained and settled.

Link 2013 back half protection compilation sans Ivan and Ebor??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txZunzPnhso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txZunzPnhso

Link Ivan and Ebor protection 2013 AWDF protection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wylPvmHDO4&feature=em-uploademail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wylPvmHDO4&feature=em-uploademail

Bubba/Thomas,

Anybody can order it from Shellshots. If someone has, they can post it.

Beyond that, there is no "argument" that needs settled.

Regardless of whether a dog or the helper "screwed up" the long bite is a dance that can and does occasionally go very wrong.  And, points are lost regardless.

It is not up to the helper to "adjust" his presentation to each individual dog; it is up to the dog to target what is presented and Ebor had the same presentation as every other dog.

It was only after his (the dog's) unfortunate poor approach and timing that things got very awkward as Marcus tried to adjust on a very fast approach.  A less athletic helper could very easily have injured the dog but nonetheless Marcus STILL got him on the sleeve which Ebor was unable to maintain.

Any of us who trial regularly understand and it can be HUGELY disappointing initially; but, in the end analysis, we all accept that its part of the game.

Now, if you or Thomas prefer to take the discussion into something more nefarious so those who have not competed regularly may be swayed, then have at it....

I am clearly not very bright for having engaged this far....

Best,

Kevin Nance

Post the video  .. no problem posting the others??  Krista Wade's was never posted from the qualifier as well??  Let's see everything and not just the highlights reel.  The helper adjusts to the dog's approach not the other way around.  Ebor was not the only fast dog nor the only Mal that day.  Let's see the video and see what happened??

We have seen what "happened."  Freeze the frame at the right moment and Ebor is clearly under the sleeve with feet on the ground.

And, no, Bubba, it is not up to the helper to "adjust" for every dog in this case coming down to him IF that is even safely possible with Ebor's speed.

It is up to the dog to target and come UP (in this case) to the sleeve.  The helper THEN proverbially gets "out of the way" either sleeve or stick side that the dog is safely caught and not jammed up.

And, if there is a big "screw up," misread, or odd approach, the helper may leave his feet and absorb the impact center mass to save the dog.  

Some dogs even with speed are consistent and easy to catch.  It is these unexpected types of approaches (with speed) and a dog that comes out of it unscathed that define to me a great helper.
 
And, Marcus IS a GREAT helper all of your nonsense, and very layman "analysis" aside.

Geez, man; where do you trial that you have these (other) perceptions and/or this nefarious desire to constantly assign blame?

The answer to BOTH of those rhetorical questions is clear; you don't (trial) and hate without introspection or perspective anything associated with the USCA.

You have made the latter point abundantly clear and you will no doubt "yammer" on the point ad nauseum again....

Kevin

Post the video or why not??  Starting to sound like the "trust us because we say so" company.  The video of Ivan/Ebor was left out of the compilation for a reason .. why??  If it was great work show it!!

Booboo, You have been asked REPEATEDLY about your own trialing and/or titling. You ignore it each time, which is in itself an answer. :-) If you had ever trialed, or even engaged in club training, you would know that even the best helper and the best dog need only a split second's mis-timing by either for things to go south. Even when, as here, the dog's timing and approach leads to a milli-second notice to adjust, a great helper can prevent a dog's " bad day" from becoming a full-blown tragedy. A lesser helper than Marcus, and there are some out there, might have left a badly injured dog on the field, rather than a handler's podium hopes. JMHO

If YOU are so interested in seeing a specific video ORDER IT from the videographer. I doubt you will because that might end your usual and tedious anti- USCA ranting.

Post the video !!  Attack me if you like but post the video!!  Did I say that someone should post the video??  Mystere you are as factual and informative about the video and what happened as you are about every other topic.  Attack me and change the subject.  Is that what they call hi-jacking??  First we were told it was the dog's fault and Ebor just missed and then we were told it was the helpers valiant effort that saved the dog from injury.  Apparently the helper was so proud of his work that he left it out of the compilation of the catches he made that day when a video was made of all but one catch he made that day??  I want to see what a helper saving a dog from sure death or injury looks like as I am sure others do.  Post the video!!