2013 AWDF trial Ivan/Ebor protection - Page 4

POST IT YOURSELF!! What is so difficult for you to comprehend? YOU are making an issue of and YOU claim you want to see it. So, order it, the same as anyone else and post it it, IF that is what you want. But, it really isn't what you want at all. You just want to continue your unbalanced ranting.

Rant on! I have made my point and I am done engaging you further on this issue.
¡Adios

Before I spend $25 for Ivan and Ebor's collection I would like to make sure the video of Ivan's dog Ebor on the back half protection exists .. I mean they could have been changing the film I suppose??  If someone has see Ivan and Ebor's back half protection please confirm the video of Ebor missing the sleeve and going under exists and can be purchased and then I will waste $25 ordering it as apparently anyone who has it won't post it or no one purchased it as part of a collection or as a single. 

Marcus moved up because the dog was going under, if he did not it would have been worse.  I was in the flight before, the sky opened up and it poured and the center of the field was slick and muddy.  Marcus and Scott both did a super job in those conditions.  We also had a bad run, my dog was the one in the video that ended up on top of Marcus.  Had Marcus caught my dog any other way one or both would have been hurt.  The conditions were bad and the dog couldn't get the footing to get off the ground. Marcus would NEVER jump up to make a dog miss.

 

Let's see the video .. I never said anything about "on purpose" .. Ebor is so fast it might be more difficult to think about it and do it on purpose than to mess him up by accident.   The helper had on spikes or cleats and his footing seemed fine.  What I said is let's see the video and see if that catch looks different than the rest of the day and see if Ebor missed or the target moved vertical as he was trying to bite.  When Ebor was 10-15 feet in front of the helper he had apparently not got his feet in position and the sleeve was lower than several other catches of the day it appeared to me.  Then the helper turned, raised the sleeve as he turned and then jumped into the air about a foot which made the sleeve move vertical.  Ebor was trying to hit a target moving up and turning which is not what he signed up for.  Too much vertical movement for Ebor to have a fair chance to get a clean bite.  I don't think it was Ebor's fault that he missed and the helper has to take some responsibility for messing up Ebor's chances to be champion which he clearly would have been had he made a clean grip.  My understanding is that once the dog is within 10-15 feet of the helper the sleeve should be on the same plane as the presentation in front as the helper turns and pivots.  Also appears Ebor was going under as he tried to figure out why the sleeve was not where it should have been and as he no doubt practiced a thousand times.  Appears the best dog didn't win and through no fault of Ivan's or Ebor's.  So lets see the video.

BOOBOO you keep whining about seeing another video. You obviously want too see it very badly. As with most Championships this one was professionally recorded and is up for sale. Buy the thing and watch it yourself. It's all there. I'm not sure it can be posted due to copyright... but then you can see this video yourself.

This is a blurry screen shot, but it seems to show that the helper's initial presentation is too low (~ belt level). 



Ebor takes another step, likely targeting the low sleeve. 

The helper pops stands taller and pops the sleeve high causing the dog to come underneath.



Once presented, the level of the sleeve should not change elevation, period. 

Yes, I realize that this is a bang-bang event, but the helper didn't provide a consistent target for this particular dog. 

RamGSD

What was the source of the videos that Marcus posted?. It looks like there was more dogs not included besides Ebor?
It took a while to get the first video. I'm sure another video/angle will appear eventually hopefully with a clearer view of the moment of contact.  Interesting to hear about the field conditions (muddy and slippery) it explains a lot of what happens with both dog and decoy

Thomas Barriano

From what I could see as he turned the helper jumped up so as to absorb the force of the dog hitting the sleeve so the elevation also changed as he turned.  The position of the sleeve with regard to his belt or body remained the same but he jumped up off the ground as he turned and Ebor was getting a mouthful of air as a result.  Would be good to see a better video and I will buy it if it exists and no one else has it ..

Shellshot has a longer 2013 AWDF compilation video on their web site .. it appears the back half helper section was cut from their teaser 9 minute video and about 5 minutes of back half helper work was posted .. that's where the current back half video came from.  Ivan and Ebor were not in the Shellshot teaser either. 

Just before contact...  Sleeve changed levels again and is now sideways, as is the helper with both feet off the ground.