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Zdog, I don't think Dogz was referring to you when he addressed "xrays lie".

IMO it's the breeder's responsibility to sell all their dogs with written contracts that include the request that the dog is xrayed. Offer to pay for it and follow up.  It's not 100% but it will get results from the majority of buyers. If a breeder isn't interested in doing that, then most pet owners won't do it unless there is a lameness issue or unless they use a vet who profiles all GSD's had having severe HD that are going to need surgery and insist on a hip xray.

Blitzen, those are good points.

​Re: Adequan:
  Actually, I've used Adequan since 2005. I know exactly what it is.  It's a polysulfated glucosaminoglycan, administered IM in dogs. I administer it myself, too, both to my dogs and my horses.  Not to downplay your field, but it hardly takes a veterinary degree to administer an IM shot. And yes, there are similar substances out there, such as Ichon, Chondroprotec, etc. None are Adequan, but they are similar in nature or desired effect, which is what I said- similar,  not indentical, and for an animal who doesn't "need" it, ie, in a preventive capacity, I suspect some benefit can be realized from those as opposed to Adequan with its small inherent risks. There are also products like Legend etc. I very much know what I'm talking about when it comes to what I do or do not administer for my own animals. I think I probably would know that better than anyone else. 

Many people don't even think to ask about elbows. That's why a lot of people mention hips in ads but not elbows. Next it will be spines and DM. It ebbs and flows with the trends of what buyers want to see. Jim is correct about that. I have told people elbow scores and had them respond with comments that they didn't even know we should xray those. 

I believe I said a few posts ago that it would be wise to have the xrays paid for up front to ensure they all get done so the breeder has the full story. My buyers who haven't xrayed aren't pet homes, ironically. There are only a couple, so I'm not going to have a conniption about it. But for completeness in data, it's essential that all pups from a litter are xrayed. 

I wish people would xray all GSDs, but since I don't do it for all my pets, I can't be that hypocritical and insist someone do it for their GSD if their dog is a pet to them. In non-breeding  animals, I've done it simply as a courtesy to the breeder, and I've always opted for digital as opposed to film xrays due to radiation differences.  I try to lessen exposure to hazards that can be controlled. The environment is full of enough toxins that I don't need to invite trouble by xraying everything with bones. JMO. 

Lighten up; life's short, and have a great day, everyone. 

 

Slam, you made my day! 

Kyto
I tried to put the elbows and Hip & Elbow  x-rays on here but for some reason they will not take, perhaps it is because i put them in my documents folder from the disc.
This is addressed to you Guys in the USA;
When you take your dogs to the Vet for x-rays i presume he then sends them off to a govrening body like the SV or the same in Belgium.
The system here is that you pay the Vet to take the x-rays, He then forwards them on to the SV. the SV or Belgium union where they arrive they then send you a Bill for grading them. You pay the Bill through your Bank, only then do you send the ORIGINAL PEDIGREE etc to say the SV by recorded delivery so they sign for it that end as the orignal pedigree is hard to replace.
after a long time the Pedigree comes back and you have to sign for the package? on the Original pedigree you will see a STAMP of what grading is given you cannot fake it and signed by the people who did the grading? That,s how it is done over here, SO how does it work in the USA, if you Guys are still not sure and cannot trust the SV and the above as genuine then you are in a real bad state of affairs and i suggest that you look for another hobby for it must be very bad to live in a world of such un trust
Steve1

When I look at a dog's OFA records and only see an elbow rating, I assume the dog failed hips.  When I see only records of hip rating on OFA, it could be a couple of things.  To enter into the working class at an SV style show, the elbows have to be rated by the SV (or at least they did last fall when I showed my female). I could see how someone would skip OFA elbows and send straight to SV.

I did not say you must be a vet to administer, I wrote you must have a prescription.... I grew up with horses and cattle. I know to give shots as well. I do not think it is a bright idea to administer these drugs to the dogs as a day to day practice and without a need hence no prescriptions just for the hell of it and no sign or xrays saying they have joint issues. I do not see someone who says x raying pet dogs is a waste of money, being too particular in proper vet care IMO. My opinion and just sticking to it. There is a reason why these drugs that are used more freely in horses are only by prescription in dogs ;) Of course you are free to do with your dogs and your program as you see fit, and I am free not to buy them if I do not agree. Have a wonderful day.


My pet dogs get xrayed because they run mountain trails, jump logs, herd, cart, jump in the air for frisbees and dive off docks just like hundreds of other "pet dogs" I believe they should be checked before they do these things, just the kind of owner I am.




  Regarding elbows and back on topic. If there are any here involved in rottweilers they can tell you they made a huge mistake not caring about elbows in that breed. Good elbows are hard to find and they have good hips breeding displastic elbows. I believe the same has been going for labs to.

I always xray hips on pets if that dog is going to be doing activities that will could cause pain. Why should I ask that dog to give 100% if the dog is genetically unable to do so. That really isn't fair to the dog. It puts me at ease then to ask the dog to give their all and push them when it is warranted.

I contacted someone about a month ago about their dogs after hearing great raves about them. I asked the guy if he OFA'd SV , Pennhip or ? his dogs since I did not see them on OFA site. His response to me was "They are checked" And I'm thinking "what the hell kind of answer is that" So for me, that's a no. I want physical PROOF, not just someone's word that it was done. I really prefer actual films so I can match the films to the dog. Been burned too many times without it.

And I posted on here several months ago about a nice dog who failed elbow scores. He has been bred NUMEROUS times. Was his ed an injury as I was told after it came to light. No one will ever really know since there were never films prior to the injury. Not worth the risk for me. I really do think xraying is the most minimum someone can do if they are going to breed or sell the dog as a possible breeding prospect. I now require any dog be done BEFORE I buy them. If the breeder really wants to sell the dog and I'm willing to pay, then its a no brainer. The dog isn't worth a plug nickel if they don't pass . But that's jmo.

Barb

steve1
i don't expect breeders or buyers to believe my word as i said before a copy of x-ray's is always availeble here