Montana kennel posting fake titles on their dogs, Von Sonnenberg German Shepherds. - Page 4

I'm a lot of things, a troll is certainly not among them. Put you thesaurus away and quit digging your hole with long winded rants about nothing.

I was willing to give give you a chance to address the meat of the matter and pretty much everyone can see you for what you are. Dont worry there's one born every minute so I'm sure you'll be able to continue selling dogs, but dont try and peddle me bullshit :)

I am a new fan of Face Book and this forum has been very helpful in bringing this to public attention. Happy to see this topic has been bumped up again so other can keep seeing this thread.  If we ever discover that this breeder has yet again, publicly posted a photo of one of us with our dog, along with any false information she has added to go along with it she can expect to hear from an attorney. Simple as that.

sbethh

Gustav, CMills, Nans ,, aarowsmith,....Blitzen and all that placed honest comments or opinions.  Thank you for your constructive opinions. I am the owner of three beautiful GSD's from this Kennel and over 16 years have never seen, heard or observed illegal or bad behavior from this owner or anyone associated with this Kennel. Reputations and good names can easily be destroyed by malicious entities on the Internet. But when your business depends on your reputation and good name and millions of people can see you Globally, the effect of Internet trashing can be devastating. For those of you that jumped on the guilty bandwagon without checking the facts, shame on you and beware it doesn’t' happen to you. As a Global Cyber Security Specialist I know how its done and how to do it.  I fight Internet Dregs all the time
To answer some comments I have seen:
A:   Stupid is what Stupid does!! Don't throw rocks unless your willing to bear the results. Why someone would want to start this discussion is beyond me.  After looking into this situation, here is what I found:
 

1. The Kennel owner has contacted the AKC and Pedigree Database and filed a complaint. Statue or not the AKC does not appreciate people falsifying their records or misrepresenting themselves or their dogs no matter how much time goes by. The AKC will investigate the complaint and take whatever action they feel is warranted.
2. The Kennel owner will pursue legal action if the good name or reputation of the Kennel is damaged in any way. Proof positive original records from 17 years ago are on file with AKC.
3. According to the breeders original AKC registration paperwork, Lea von Sonnenberg Hof  (DL74163405) is the correct original AKC number. The number von Helmer used is stolen and falsely attached to a bogus Kennel name.
4. There were only 5 registered puppies in the original  L litter, now there are six listed
5. The  titles were provided to the breeder by Chip Helmer who claimed to have shown the dog in competition. Only Chip has the original records IF they actually exist.
6. OFA exams to be done are requested by the owner. The owner is Chip Helmer and the breeder did not have custody of the dog at the time of the claimed examination. So any OFA claims were made by Chip himself and provided to the breeder probably when the bogus titles were submitted.

Sorry SBeth Helmer, your 30 sec of fame are over. Not sure why you would want to attack and slander a breeder of 30 years worth of excellent GSDs,  17 years after the fact, nor do I care. If you have a gripe, present it to the AKC not in an open forum! As the customer, I am satisfied with what I have seen and heard from the AKC ( of which I am a member ) and the Kennel  owner.  I respectfully suggest  you and your pet Troll crawl back under whatever Manure pile you came from. Also, call the AKC and explain your actions to them because they surely will come to you now!! You can spout your trash as much as you wish in this Forum and if the members here want to listen….so be it. But since “Stupid is what Stupid does”, you keep opening your big mouth with lies, I will support the von Sonnenberg Kennel with more than words.
I thank the Forum and the Pedigree Database members and Admin  for permitting me to speak on behalf of the von Sonnenberg Kennel.  The Kennel will work with the AKC and other agencies to defend itself.  To see some truly beautiful GSDs, please go to the Kennel website where you can view one of our GSDs, Reyko Von Sonnenberg, a black GSD with an 8 Gen. AKC certified / German pedigree  (Who much to our sadness just passed).  Respectfully,
MRCoultrap
 
 

Pet troll, you're funny :)

Where's the scrore book?  That's all I asked, you're responses since then have been telling.  Get your cyber security after me :)  sick 'em LOL

I think you're more likely a paid for advertiser with your 4 posts defending one person than I am a pet troll, but if you need to have a pet name for me, feel free.  I prefer to be called "THE" pet troll, but whatever floats your boat LOL

While the breeder may have a breach of contract to contend with, it states right on the registration application that AKC feels the person who is sending the application in has the right to name the dog whatever they want.  So changing the dogs name on a registration application is, according to AKC, far from forgery, but instead the right of the new puppy owner.  In addition AKC will now allow people to change a dogs name if the dog has not yet earned any AKC titles.  IF the breeder was the first person to register the dog then you have to have their permission to change the name, otherwise it's a free for all.

This is why if a breeder wants to be sure the dogs are registered with their kennel name they need to register the entire litter in their name, get the initial registration certificates, then sign those certificates over to the new owners.   Versus giving the new owner the puppy registration form (the one you fill out the name, color and other info on). IMO AKC was not unaware of this when they set up the current registration criteria, it gives them leverage to get breeders to register the entire litter, since it's not uncommon for a large percent of each litter to never be individually registered, especially if they go to pet homes.  And that just improves AKC's bottom line.

what a mess.


mutts rule

Hexe - (from first page of this thread)
AKC does have a program to add IPO titles to pedigrees if they were earned in an AKC sanctioned event...
GSDCA-WDA trials are are AKC sanctioned and titles earned can be placed pedigrees.

Maybe a dumb question, but why don´t breeders in the USA not register ALL of their pups when they are born?
Over here the breeder HAS to give his kennel name to each pup and each litter he produced, plain and simple.
He is the one who made the breeding, and he has to be responsible for this breeding with his own name.
In the USA people are able to say: I don´t like the outcome of this litter ( or this puppy ) , so I don´t register it.
Where is the responsibility?

Its something people expect everyone ELSE to have :). But I'm pretty sure not every puppy in Germany gets registered either. Bad seeds are everywhere.

But yes, if you are breeding dogs they should be registered by that breeder. Would make things a bit easier