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by Sunsilver on 16 July 2009 - 16:07
Pstt, Marjorie, it's a CANADIAN bred! (Waves her maple leaf flag....)
Yeah, the German dog definitely has a longer back. I've seen some German dogs lately where the front and back halves looked like they belonged to different dogs! I've also noticed the American dogs no longer are the only hock-walkers around.
Both camps need to stop breeding for extremes in structure.
Here's a particularily bad example from the German lines:
Yeah, the German dog definitely has a longer back. I've seen some German dogs lately where the front and back halves looked like they belonged to different dogs! I've also noticed the American dogs no longer are the only hock-walkers around.
Both camps need to stop breeding for extremes in structure.
Here's a particularily bad example from the German lines:
by SitasMom on 16 July 2009 - 16:07
that bad example is gross!
by Sunsilver on 16 July 2009 - 17:07
What's even worse, is he has an SG rating, and is busy fathering pups!
I wonder where his female get will find room for babies, if their abdomens are as tucked up as his! And that pelvis doesn't look like it would be capable of birthing a pup without a c-section.
I certainly hope the females have larger pelvises!
I wonder where his female get will find room for babies, if their abdomens are as tucked up as his! And that pelvis doesn't look like it would be capable of birthing a pup without a c-section.
I certainly hope the females have larger pelvises!
by Rik on 16 July 2009 - 22:07
A few very top breeders of Am. S/L are breeding to German dogs. It is because every true Am. S/L dog goes back to Lance of Fran Jo, every line of 99% of winning Am. S/L goes back to this dog, and not really that long ago.
There is another bottle neck with Sundance Kid (a nice dog). They have nowhere else to go to try and straighten out the genetic mess they have created. Vegas is a dog with very good structure and side gait. I'm sure they think that one generation of breeding to a German dog will correct generations of one dimensional breeding (side gait). Many are in for a shock if they think the German S/L dogs can come with issues of their own.
Rik
There is another bottle neck with Sundance Kid (a nice dog). They have nowhere else to go to try and straighten out the genetic mess they have created. Vegas is a dog with very good structure and side gait. I'm sure they think that one generation of breeding to a German dog will correct generations of one dimensional breeding (side gait). Many are in for a shock if they think the German S/L dogs can come with issues of their own.
Rik
by sueincc on 17 July 2009 - 01:07
"Sacrificing a title for the betterment of the breed is a totally unselfish thing to do." (marjorie)
Can you clarify what you mean by this statement? Surely you can't mean working titles, after all, this is where Am Lines went so horribly wrong in the first place.
Can you clarify what you mean by this statement? Surely you can't mean working titles, after all, this is where Am Lines went so horribly wrong in the first place.
by marjorie on 17 July 2009 - 01:07
"Here's a particularily bad example from the German lines"
Ouch- that hurts just looking at that :(
Marjorie
Executive Director: New Beginnings Shepherd Rescue www.newbeginningsrescue.com 501 C3
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http://gsd911.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (including frozen/chilled semen database) BE PROACTIVE!
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Ouch- that hurts just looking at that :(
Marjorie
Executive Director: New Beginnings Shepherd Rescue www.newbeginningsrescue.com 501 C3
OUR BUILDING PROJECT PHOTOS
http://gsd911.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (including frozen/chilled semen database) BE PROACTIVE!
http://mzjf.com --> The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group
by vonissk on 17 July 2009 - 03:07
I am certainly gladto read some positive comments on mixing Am SL and German dogs. Thanks everone. My new puppy I am so proud f is Am SL and German/DDR working lines. She is my 3rd generation and I am so very proud of her. My goal is to produce dogs tht will win in the America ring and work on top of that--whether is be ScH PPD orSAR. One of her littermates has gone to CO for SAR and the guy is very very pleased with her. So Marjorie if I'm still kicking I feel I will have nice dogs in 10 years.
by marjorie on 17 July 2009 - 03:07
...and I bet you will! :) Thank you for caring enough about the breed to do what you are doing :)
Marjorie
Executive Director: New Beginnings Shepherd Rescue www.newbeginningsrescue.com 501 C3
OUR BUILDING PROJECT PHOTOS
http://gsd911.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (including frozen/chilled semen database) BE PROACTIVE!
http://mzjf.com --> The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group
Marjorie
Executive Director: New Beginnings Shepherd Rescue www.newbeginningsrescue.com 501 C3
OUR BUILDING PROJECT PHOTOS
http://gsd911.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (including frozen/chilled semen database) BE PROACTIVE!
http://mzjf.com --> The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group
by Rik on 17 July 2009 - 03:07
by Sunsilver on 17 July 2009 - 03:07
Sue, I'm fairly sure Marjorie meant that if you outcross, you are going to lose type, and that will cost you ribbons in the show ring, maybe for a generation or even more. The American show ring just will not place German-style dogs with the upward curve in their backs.
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