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by Jersey Girl 22 on 01 March 2014 - 22:03
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This is the male i got that is a long coat which is my females brother. His ears have not gone up at all but maybe once and that would be his left one
by Jersey Girl 22 on 01 March 2014 - 22:03
Thank you JYL for your help on me uploading photos on the data base i am defiently going to make sure i remember how to do this hopefully i don't forget it has been a little while since i did it but now i definetly know how to. Thank again that helped alot.
by susie on 02 March 2014 - 00:03
This doesn´t help right now, but both of them look healthy and happy.
The male´s ears - no chance, sorry.
The female´s ears are worth a try ( inlets, is there anybody in your surrounding who knows how to do it ? )
I´d try it, even if this dog is no breeding prospect.
What are you going to do with the youngsters? It´s not their fault...
The male´s ears - no chance, sorry.
The female´s ears are worth a try ( inlets, is there anybody in your surrounding who knows how to do it ? )
I´d try it, even if this dog is no breeding prospect.
What are you going to do with the youngsters? It´s not their fault...
by Jersey Girl 22 on 02 March 2014 - 14:03
Thanks Susie I do realize it isnt their fault i honestly do as I said I do love them both and especially my girl. I honestly do not know what I am going to do yet I really do not. I am going to spay her and keep her as a companion of anything. I think this is a crappy thing to do to someone tho I really dont know why these people do this I guess they do this because they dont care. My males ears I figured there was nothing that can be done for him which really upsets me because now I have to clean his ears out repeatedly because he gets ear wax and dirt build up. Now my girl I know there maybe a chance although I dont know for sure. Honestly I am really hoping something will work but if not thats fine either way im not breeding her. Reguardless if her ears go up or not. I just think its rong for people to do this kinda thing. I will make sure this I am sticking with my good friends now and not going elsewhere. I am going to see the parents and pick my puppy.
by MajicForest on 06 March 2014 - 23:03
I will jump in here once to address the situation on hand and the concerned parties. After my one time post, any one concerned with "my" and the "posters" business transactions and my breeding programs can be handled directly through me in a professional manner via phone or email.
My name is Vickie Garrick, I own Majic Forest German Shepherds. I am in Utah and always have been.
If Alexis will read her AKC certificate, I am not the breeder of record. I own the male and helped sell the litter. This is a one time breeding, and they wanted to use my male, Beethoven. I carried the contract on the pups if people wanted a contract. She did not pay $1900.00 for the female, she paid $1500.00 (plus shipping) and was given the male. He shipped with his sister, costing $30.00 extra in freight. . She had full knowledge that his x rays showed that he had Mega E. Alexis advised she was a trained vet tech and that was not an issue. Anyone who knows much about or has studied Mega E knows that it does not show up until the pups are on solid food. The litter owners did not want to put him down. So he was offered to Alexis. She jumped at the chance. There isn't a test for Mega E, believe me, the minute I heard I started research. It was new to me. There is no record of Mega E in either pedigree that I have seen or could find. My vet said to just not breed that cross again. One in 8 puppies. Not much data to go on.
There is no genetic testing for Mega E, the program that was doing the research (I contacted them hoping for a test) ran out of funds just as they were starting to see results and could not get further funding. SO if every breeder/dog owner/concerned person would like to contribute $10.00 maybe we can get a DNA test on it and add one more expense to the list of testing.
For the record, she has reported that he has out grown it and has NO problems. Which leads me to think he did not have it to begin with. She advised he has never had any problems and he shipped to her at 8 weeks.
I did not raise the pups, I also did not ship the pups. neither they, nor their vet, advised me of any hernia's. She was a first time mother. So there isn't a way to know if the pups have genetic hernia's or environmental. And hernia's get bigger as the puppy gets bigger. The puppies where on IP cameras and visible at all times to people who wanted to buy, where interested, or just wanted to watch.
Neither dog has any ear problems or hernias. My male, Beethoven v Majic Forest is a young male. I do not use OFA for hips, all my x rays are sent to German and I breed a1 and a2 I strive for ZW hip numbers in the 70's and 80's. Look my dogs up on the SV. My main goal is temperament and health above all else.
I have also purchased from reputatable breeders and seen the disappointment of raising a dog to have their hips fail or something else go wrong, an injury, a default, EPI http://www.german-shepherd-rescue-scotland.org.uk/life-with-a-gsd/health-articles/107-exocrine-pancreatic-insufficiency-epi. If a dog has a genetic disease I do not breed them, they are spayed or neutered.
I paid 2500.00 last year for a beautiful female long coat puppy from a VERY well known breeder and her ears are funny. Life is what it is. We all know we can not control everything or even try. We roll with the punches and move on. Ears are not guaranteed and there are tons of environmental factors that can hurt the ears as we know. Nutrition, not enough calcium, other dogs, etc. Long coat puppies ears are heavy. This pups ears are and were up and down. I was not worried. As you can see from the posted avatar picture she has, the ears are up. The pictures she just posted here are from last fall, 4-5 months ago. When she contacted me on Feb 28 she said she had some pictures taken that day of the ears down. When I ask her for them she did not post or give them to me. When I had advised her several months ago to post or glue the ears, she kept delaying. I still have no proof she did either, she said it was unfair and cruel to the dog.
She wants a replacement puppy for things I can not control and do not guarantee. In my contract, the one she read and signed: In Part:
3 c. Seller warrants the Dog until it is twelve (12) months of age to be free of genetic disease that would cause severe disability or death, as conclusively found by two (2) unassociated licensed veterinarians, as described in and subject to the remedies and requirements in paragraph 5.c. below.
5a. The Buyer shall have 48 business hours from the date the Dog is delivered to Buyer to have the Dog examined by a licensed veterinarian paid for at Buyer’s expense and to personally inspect the Dog. If, within the first 48 business hours, a veterinarian paid for by Buyer determines that the Dog suffers from a serious hereditary or communicable disease, which would result in the demise, extended veterinary care or future development of the animal, the Buyer may make a claim to Seller within that 48 business hour time frame. Any such claim must be in writing and accompanied by a full written report by the licensed veterinarian including the Dog’s name, the veterinarian’s signature and telephone number, which claim and report must be delivered to Seller within that 48 business hour time frame. Within three business days of making such claim, Buyer shall return the Dog to Seller in the same condition the Dog was in when Seller delivered the Dog to Buyer with all paperwork for the Dog provided by Seller to Buyer. If the Dog must be shipped to......
She terminated the conversation of Feb 28 that we were having in mid discussion and has not reposted to me in any form. Instead she went to the database to air her grievance.
Again anyone who would like to discuss my breeding practices or has concerns with me is welcome to email me. My email contact is on my website. I am easy to find.
Vickie Garrick
My name is Vickie Garrick, I own Majic Forest German Shepherds. I am in Utah and always have been.
If Alexis will read her AKC certificate, I am not the breeder of record. I own the male and helped sell the litter. This is a one time breeding, and they wanted to use my male, Beethoven. I carried the contract on the pups if people wanted a contract. She did not pay $1900.00 for the female, she paid $1500.00 (plus shipping) and was given the male. He shipped with his sister, costing $30.00 extra in freight. . She had full knowledge that his x rays showed that he had Mega E. Alexis advised she was a trained vet tech and that was not an issue. Anyone who knows much about or has studied Mega E knows that it does not show up until the pups are on solid food. The litter owners did not want to put him down. So he was offered to Alexis. She jumped at the chance. There isn't a test for Mega E, believe me, the minute I heard I started research. It was new to me. There is no record of Mega E in either pedigree that I have seen or could find. My vet said to just not breed that cross again. One in 8 puppies. Not much data to go on.
There is no genetic testing for Mega E, the program that was doing the research (I contacted them hoping for a test) ran out of funds just as they were starting to see results and could not get further funding. SO if every breeder/dog owner/concerned person would like to contribute $10.00 maybe we can get a DNA test on it and add one more expense to the list of testing.
For the record, she has reported that he has out grown it and has NO problems. Which leads me to think he did not have it to begin with. She advised he has never had any problems and he shipped to her at 8 weeks.
I did not raise the pups, I also did not ship the pups. neither they, nor their vet, advised me of any hernia's. She was a first time mother. So there isn't a way to know if the pups have genetic hernia's or environmental. And hernia's get bigger as the puppy gets bigger. The puppies where on IP cameras and visible at all times to people who wanted to buy, where interested, or just wanted to watch.
Neither dog has any ear problems or hernias. My male, Beethoven v Majic Forest is a young male. I do not use OFA for hips, all my x rays are sent to German and I breed a1 and a2 I strive for ZW hip numbers in the 70's and 80's. Look my dogs up on the SV. My main goal is temperament and health above all else.
I have also purchased from reputatable breeders and seen the disappointment of raising a dog to have their hips fail or something else go wrong, an injury, a default, EPI http://www.german-shepherd-rescue-scotland.org.uk/life-with-a-gsd/health-articles/107-exocrine-pancreatic-insufficiency-epi. If a dog has a genetic disease I do not breed them, they are spayed or neutered.
I paid 2500.00 last year for a beautiful female long coat puppy from a VERY well known breeder and her ears are funny. Life is what it is. We all know we can not control everything or even try. We roll with the punches and move on. Ears are not guaranteed and there are tons of environmental factors that can hurt the ears as we know. Nutrition, not enough calcium, other dogs, etc. Long coat puppies ears are heavy. This pups ears are and were up and down. I was not worried. As you can see from the posted avatar picture she has, the ears are up. The pictures she just posted here are from last fall, 4-5 months ago. When she contacted me on Feb 28 she said she had some pictures taken that day of the ears down. When I ask her for them she did not post or give them to me. When I had advised her several months ago to post or glue the ears, she kept delaying. I still have no proof she did either, she said it was unfair and cruel to the dog.
She wants a replacement puppy for things I can not control and do not guarantee. In my contract, the one she read and signed: In Part:
3 c. Seller warrants the Dog until it is twelve (12) months of age to be free of genetic disease that would cause severe disability or death, as conclusively found by two (2) unassociated licensed veterinarians, as described in and subject to the remedies and requirements in paragraph 5.c. below.
5a. The Buyer shall have 48 business hours from the date the Dog is delivered to Buyer to have the Dog examined by a licensed veterinarian paid for at Buyer’s expense and to personally inspect the Dog. If, within the first 48 business hours, a veterinarian paid for by Buyer determines that the Dog suffers from a serious hereditary or communicable disease, which would result in the demise, extended veterinary care or future development of the animal, the Buyer may make a claim to Seller within that 48 business hour time frame. Any such claim must be in writing and accompanied by a full written report by the licensed veterinarian including the Dog’s name, the veterinarian’s signature and telephone number, which claim and report must be delivered to Seller within that 48 business hour time frame. Within three business days of making such claim, Buyer shall return the Dog to Seller in the same condition the Dog was in when Seller delivered the Dog to Buyer with all paperwork for the Dog provided by Seller to Buyer. If the Dog must be shipped to......
She terminated the conversation of Feb 28 that we were having in mid discussion and has not reposted to me in any form. Instead she went to the database to air her grievance.
Again anyone who would like to discuss my breeding practices or has concerns with me is welcome to email me. My email contact is on my website. I am easy to find.
Vickie Garrick
by neuen Polizei on 07 March 2014 - 05:03
Does the SV even publish x-ray ratings for foreign dogs? I know the dog I had done doesn't show up. Even if they did, wouldn't it come up as A6 ausland?
by susie on 07 March 2014 - 06:03
| Name | Zwinger | SZ-Nummer | Zuchtwert |
|---|---|---|---|
| Allie | Majic Forest | 9168251 | 96 |
| Beethoven | Majic Forest | 9168253 | 80 |
| Lord Faust | Majic Forest | 9168252 | 84 |
| Max | Majic Forest | 9148735 | 84 |
| Myka | Majic Forest | 9148736 | 94 |
| Petra | Majic Forest | 9148737 | 83 |
| Phaedra Mia | Majic Forest | 9168250 | 85 |
| Pillar | Majic Forest | 9148738 | 104 |
| Tilly | Majic Forest | 9163730 | 86 |
| Troll | Majic Forest | 9146934 | 95 |
by kitkat3478 on 08 March 2014 - 05:03
The only thing I would like to add is,
YOU KNEW this girl had high hopes of getting into breeding German Shepherds, whether she should or not, is not the point,
You sold her a breeding quality dog, Iin your opinion, KNOWING that the brother had Mega e,
BOTH dogs have weak ears, taping them is not the answer, for breeding quality,
BOTH dogs have hernias, you should have known that, and disclosed it to her...
Big whoop you gave her a free Mega e puppy, you could not sell that puppy to anyone else, and would more than likeky have had a hard time giving it away to someone else.
Like I said, you sold her,as breeding qualuty dogs, dogs that are pet qquality, and pet quality only.
Not one reputable breeder would have represented mega e sibling, as breeding quality. You apparently do not care what your buyers think, after you get paid, and really don't worry much about what becomes of the dogs either.
You found, or rather she found, another breeder that cares about the money making it to their pocket, more than they worry about a satisfied customer.
I do not know of one breeder that would allow her to use their male, on that female.
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself.
I don't care what the reason someone would be unhappy with one of my pups, I will gladly take them back to save them from being rehomed several times.
It certainly is not the dogs fault she was produced with no consideration of quality, or of her well being.
YOU KNEW this girl had high hopes of getting into breeding German Shepherds, whether she should or not, is not the point,
You sold her a breeding quality dog, Iin your opinion, KNOWING that the brother had Mega e,
BOTH dogs have weak ears, taping them is not the answer, for breeding quality,
BOTH dogs have hernias, you should have known that, and disclosed it to her...
Big whoop you gave her a free Mega e puppy, you could not sell that puppy to anyone else, and would more than likeky have had a hard time giving it away to someone else.
Like I said, you sold her,as breeding qualuty dogs, dogs that are pet qquality, and pet quality only.
Not one reputable breeder would have represented mega e sibling, as breeding quality. You apparently do not care what your buyers think, after you get paid, and really don't worry much about what becomes of the dogs either.
You found, or rather she found, another breeder that cares about the money making it to their pocket, more than they worry about a satisfied customer.
I do not know of one breeder that would allow her to use their male, on that female.
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself.
I don't care what the reason someone would be unhappy with one of my pups, I will gladly take them back to save them from being rehomed several times.
It certainly is not the dogs fault she was produced with no consideration of quality, or of her well being.
by Abby Normal on 08 March 2014 - 09:03
It seems to me that the male was not sold/given as breeding quality, JG says she set out with the intention of him being a pet only, to be neutered. However, knowing that there was a mega-e pup as a sibling, that should have raised red flags about any of this litter being breeding prospects. If anyone's intention is to become a breeder then they really need to acquire many, many more years knowledge and experience before progressing further. As a purchaser of potential breeding stock one needs to have a very good knowledge of health, temperament genetics and lines and you simply cannot place your faith in someone else to do everything for you, as a breeder it is your job to know these things. Knowing that the male had mega-e, a minimal amount of research would have shown that this was not something you would want in breeding lines. Even asked on this or any other GSD forum, advice would have been to steer clear. This tells me you are light years away from being ready to be a good breeder.
The responsibility for doing research, learning and making the best choices doesn't rest with someone else....it rests with you. Personally I think it's a minefield and wouldn't want to even try and I have had GSDs for over 30 years.
So now there is the problem.....does the lovely girl just get passed on..unwanted because she cannot be used to produce pups? That's something you have to wrestle your own conscience with. You say 'it's not her fault' No it isn't, but you have to take some responsibility for her being in this position too. Certainly a better understanding and more research should have made you take a different route. I personally think you would be better just having your two lovely dogs as pets, and enjoy and do things with them throughout their lives. Use this time to learn everything you can about GSDs and when the time comes for you to buy your first breeding bitch you will have a better grounding for starting out as a breeder. Whilst KitKat says you are not just 'diving' straight in to breeding, you are really, as had this turned out OK in another 16 months you would be in a position to have your first litter. You are young, clearly very inexperienced and whilst this is a dream of yours, it doesn't have to be fulfilled right this minute - and it is obvious it shouldn't. You have demonstrated why, put some years in first. No offence intended.
The responsibility for doing research, learning and making the best choices doesn't rest with someone else....it rests with you. Personally I think it's a minefield and wouldn't want to even try and I have had GSDs for over 30 years.
So now there is the problem.....does the lovely girl just get passed on..unwanted because she cannot be used to produce pups? That's something you have to wrestle your own conscience with. You say 'it's not her fault' No it isn't, but you have to take some responsibility for her being in this position too. Certainly a better understanding and more research should have made you take a different route. I personally think you would be better just having your two lovely dogs as pets, and enjoy and do things with them throughout their lives. Use this time to learn everything you can about GSDs and when the time comes for you to buy your first breeding bitch you will have a better grounding for starting out as a breeder. Whilst KitKat says you are not just 'diving' straight in to breeding, you are really, as had this turned out OK in another 16 months you would be in a position to have your first litter. You are young, clearly very inexperienced and whilst this is a dream of yours, it doesn't have to be fulfilled right this minute - and it is obvious it shouldn't. You have demonstrated why, put some years in first. No offence intended.
by Sunsilver on 08 March 2014 - 13:03
Re: male's ears. Nothing is going to make those ears come up....EVER!
I was taught when assessing ears to bring the pup's ear towards the corner of the eye. If it was at the corner of the eye or above, good, it was likely going to come up. Below the eye, the ear was likely too long and heavy to ever stand.
I was taught when assessing ears to bring the pup's ear towards the corner of the eye. If it was at the corner of the eye or above, good, it was likely going to come up. Below the eye, the ear was likely too long and heavy to ever stand.
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