Czech breeders - Page 1

Can someone school me that has experience with the Czech bloodline GSD.   I'm not going to be purchasing another pup for another 10-12 months.  Just trying to figure out which one will fit me the best....  Can someone with more experience than me explain what different characteristics seperate the Czech, DDR, and WG working line bloodlines.   I've tried google, it has only scattered my brain more.  

That's a bit of a loaded question LOL. I'd decide what qualities you want, personally, in a pup. Then, try to find a breeding pair who best match your criteria. Eh, I guess that isn't much help. Sorry.

 

If you search these forums, you will find the many opinions to your question. 

I agree with Ramage...

The problem with specifying specific traits within bloodlines (Czech, DDR, West, etc.) is impossible since a breeder can change what a certain bloodline expresses through selective breeding............ 

The bottom line is that each line has good dogs and bad dogs. A good German Shepherd is a good German Shepherd regardless of the bloodline. Find parents that possess the traits you want in your puppy, this will increase the likely hood that you get a pup that matures into what you want instead of worrying about a particular line. 

Google will scatter your brain because you get site after site loaded with people just talking to talk, like me :)  I could be completely full of crap but still sound very convincing.  So screw me, and everyone like me, and go see the dogs.  Go to clubs, go to trials, use the internet to find where and when those are happening and go see dogs, lots and lots and lots of dogs.  Then you'll find some that you like and ask where they got the dogs from.  Start your search there.  

If you go to clubs, go with eyes wide open. As in all endeavors, you need to be able to discern the good from the bad.

There is a small hobby Czech breeder called Mariko Bohemia that I like very much .. I think there is a breeder in Texas who is allied with Mariko Bohemia.  Mariko Bohemia has done a very good job with a very small breeding kennel and I admire the owners work.  Study those dogs and their bloodlines.  Vom Ron is a breeder in NC who also has some very nice Czech dogs worth studying.  Kreative Kennels which seems to be universally disliked by some here has some nice Czech bloodline dogs worth studying.  Kreative charges high prices I usually can not pay but I admire some of their dogs and breeding choices.  Alpine K9 is an importer of Czech dogs worth studying. Cainie de Politie is also a Czech dog breeder and importer. The last two have ties back to the Czech Republic I believe.  Wendelin Farms in Canada also comes to mind.  Plenty of other could be added to my short list.  Most if not all IPO training clubs are run as a tiny fiefdom with a breeder or a club level trainer as the central power in the club.  If you go to several clubs you will see that the dogs are almost a second thought in a lot of clubs, it is just about pecking order and titles.  Study Czech breeders and dogs from good Czech breeders if you want to learn about Czech dogs.  Trainers like to win competitions and get titles.  Breeders like to build better dogs.  They don't let professional race car drivers work on their own car for a reason and asking a club level trainer which bloodline is best is like asking your waiter what is good on the menu (for your taste).  Breeders in the USA suffer from the latest hot dog syndrome as they breed their females to the latest winner of some competition who becomes the latest hot dog .. that just screws up their bloodlines and keeps them from ever getting anywhere.  Breeding better dogs is about deciding what you want in a dog and relentlessly pursueing it regardless of the latest trend or sport craze.

Some but not all Czech breeders that I think are worth knowing about .. I own Fargo mariko Bohemia who came from Mariko Bohemia.  For a small Czech kennel Mariko Boemia has had several dogs imported to the USA including Dakar, Fargo, Gabbi, and Kreative had one of her dogs Borneo .. possibly others in the USA.  The breeders and importers listed below give a broad view of what I think Czech dogs are about.  I don't necessarily like all of their stock but if you want to study the variety of Czech dogs they are a good place to start.  Jinopo, Anrebri, and Eurosport are much bigger player in the Czech dog markets but I am not always comfortable with the distinction between marketing and breeding with these larger players.  These bigger players breed, broker, and market dogs so it is sometimes a slippery slope to make a distinction.  A small player like Mariko Bohemia does not do it for the money and produces dogs that are what she thinks are best for her bloodline.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeders.htm?kid=6541

http://www.czechworkingdogs.com/

http://vomrongermanshepherds.com/

http://voneintzeshepherds.com/index.html

http://www.alpinek9.com/

http://kreativekennels.com/

http://cainidepolitie.com/

http://www.wendelinfarm.com/dogs.html

 

Thanks everyone.  

 

Thanks Bubba. I will look into them.  I'm not wanting a "sports dog" that is has mostly prey drive and not a good balance of the other important drives (defense, civil. Etc) .. I want a GSD that fits the creators intentions.  Courageous, fearless, loyal, balanced drives. Loves to work, naturally protective, rock solid nerves....

I plan to still train at the SchH club with him/her.  But getting a title isn't my main goal.  But it would be nice.  Maybe not SchH...Might try SAR or herding.  I plan to do some "advanced" protection type training.  I love training, but I like training with real world type scenerios.   I'm able to see how my dog handles stress and what is upper limit is by doing this...In my opinion.  I'm still a novice, but I'm determined to excel my dog(s) as far as they are comfortable and happy with.   I love doing the bitework, but I don't like only doing it on a sleeve.  I would rather work a sleeve, hidden sleeve, bite suit, muzzle work.  I also think this helps identify the weaknesses and strengths in my dog.  I'm after GSD that is clear headed under stress, drives that can be capped, good ON/OFF.  I guess I'm after the perfect dog.  I think big...No dog is perfect, I know.  I'm just trying to learn the working GSD bloodlines, pedigrees, etc.  SO MANY dogs, hard to find a place to start at.  I'm after a breeder that is going above and beyond to improve The GSD standard in their breeding program.  Improving the standard in regards to the original standard.  

 

I have 2 sons, ages 5 and 2.  I want a serious dog, but this dog will be an active member of my family also.  

 

Maybe I'm being too picky, but I'm after a GSD that fits Max von Stephanitz's standard.  I will keep researching, reading, emailing. Etc etc etc.  

 

A lot of good information on this forum.  

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