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by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

Just be honest? Which country stiill depends on the German shepherd as their patrol dog? WE know germany does not even use them anymore so they suck?


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

How about slovakia and the netherlands? South africa?  ALso why do breeders here have so much trouble producing the dogs we can find so easy in some european country? Very very few breeders it seems here can produce the nice dogs they consistently produce over there.  That is why a lot of us buy from there. NOt saying there are not crappers there.  I have seen my share of shitty dogs even plenty of crappy old line nervy czech dogs being imported from there.  The big well known names do bring over good dogs from there to here it seems.  I am thinking a lot of good breeders that produce good dogs here are probably not advertising online or at showing off at clubs/meets or pp training they are probably too busy and probably only cater to the k9 department and have long waiting list already so we never really know about them. THere are a handful of breeders who I have seen in person that had some very impressive dogs, like sportwaffen, apline/jeri, and one other I think.  Not talking sport points dogs or dogs who win



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medals just talking real strong dogs with good fight drive that can do real patrol or real personal protection work.  Three is NO other breed out there for this job. I have a caucasian ovcharka and have had a fila, these are GREAST sentry dogs and great livestock or pet protection dogs, they are no german shepherds and they are shitty personal protection dogs. My friend has 5 of them right now.  THey can be very dangerous. Not nearly as smart as a shepherd just a big beastly wild animal that u let free in a pasture. THere is no dog that can compare right now to a good shepherd.  The amazing bite skills and fight skills we can teach a good shepherd cannot be beat. I like my CO but serves another purpose that is just to protect the horses.  May get another fila also from my friend for that. Have some very expensive horses.  Arabs. WHich love to kick and have their own nasty temperament lol


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by Hundmutter on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

Most Police (and Armed Forces) dogs in the UK are still GSDs.

 

Also, incidentally, nearly a quarter of Guide Dogs.


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

hundmutter I saw that, are they a lot of showlines there though being used? NO idea where this was I saw video of two show lines eating a man alive in crowd control.


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

Hundmutter what about in prisons? and crowd control?  The original ddr dog was suppose to have lower prey drive, easy to handle but be very very strong.  The ones i have seen are low prey drive but not strong at all. the old czech lines i have all seen? Veery good dogs some of them some very very nervy.  The good ones are a balance of lots of prey but lots of defense.  Never met this magical dog that people speak of from the old days, who matured fast, lower drive, easy to live with and very strong.


by vk4gsd on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

the bigger mystery to me is how the US has been harvesting the best genetics of nearly every working breed forever and still managed to turn them into mediocre lines, on average.

 

by now the entire rest of the world should be sourcing working dogs from the US and nowhere else because it has the best genetics of every working breed.

 

read on another forum how the best foundation dogs just after the breed was established even went to the states and... i guess resulted in the ASL somehow.

 

easy to blame the euros for selling these dogs knowing full well from the weight of history how it will pan out, but hey, in the end who can resist the amount of $$$$$$$$$$ only north americans are capable of and so willing to throw away to get their toy.

 


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

VK4gsd I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER they get really good dogs yet are still producing OK dogs not NEVER a good dog? wtf never a strong dog or one they can brag about. Makes no sense. What are they doing wrong ? I don't get it because they have the right dogs in front of them yet they can duplicate them?  So we all still go to europe and go get our own dogs. MY CO all from europe also. THe cacuasian from america were so nervy. THe breeder was from BULGARIA.


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

Vk4 i have seen some breeders because of their failed attempts at producing anything good try to blame it on the breed in general just not being the right breed for the task lol which is wrong I have seen just about every breed worked almost the gsd a good one was the best and still can be. THE MAL and the dutch shepehrd i do admit can make the gsd look bad at times, but they are not practical with the high high energy.  A friend of mine in vancouver bred some civil banddogs for a bit that he bought from europe special lines and worked hard to produce some strong dogs that excelled in personal protection with a stable mind. But still I would rather have a good gsd over any of them. The gsds intilligence with their protection ability makes them the best.


by vk4gsd on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

^ i edited some things when you posted.

 

i think you are overstating the case if you think you can not find good and great dogs in the states, they do exist and are being produced there. just like you CAN find good dogs anywhere (within reason).

 

by the laws of genetics there will always be two sides and a middle on the bell curve.

 

 

 

 


by OpticNerve on 21 November 2014 - 20:11

I agree you can but it is just very hard I find, if i was going to I think Miked Or sportwaffen would be the people i would go to.

 

THey seem to know what they are doing, i have seen some of sportwaffens dogs wow can they fight, even an untrained bitch tore a man up real good dispite being punched and kicked.

 

Did some research a lot of the dogs of these two places seem to be connected to the same place which is eurosportk9?






 


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