reversed mask - Page 8

Ok, thanks. 

I didn't understand the bolded "I HAVE," I guess, because I didn't go back far enough. Too bad this forum doesn't have the easy quote feature for people's posts. So much easier to answer directly. 

To clarify, you're speaking to the idea that traits can signify other traits, not that you think dogs with FADED pigment are better workers. 

I did not read through all the posts; just enough  that I feel I have to comment that I cannot believe anybody would say that that dog is ugly. I did not see one ugly thing about that dog. Breed what you want to breed especially if you have the knowledge.

"Many swear reverse masked dogs also often carry some of the strongest, most prepotent traits desired for work I believe and have seen it with my own eyes many times that some very good temperament traits seem to be bundled with certain physical traits, recessive included. I've had/seen pairings where the pups of a certain color or pattern tend to be strongly one way vs. the others and it repeats itself too many times to ignore the possibility that it's not coincidence" (jenni) 

Agreed. I am one of those people who swear that too.

"I personally bred litter with these reversed masks and would say it is exeptional litter as well in healthresults, and temperament/caracter, so I want to preserve that," (duke)

COOL. I would do the same. Your result is what I have noticed.. EXCEPTIONAL dogs, and they bring balance as well.

"The reverse mask, in my experience, is linked to dogs with great balance and discernment in ALL that they do...  they are always ON and ready, yet just as quick to realize when there is NOT a threat.. so.. NOT "reactive", but clear headed..  afraid of NOTHING, but wonderfully smart..quick..they really do have a uniqueness about them." (this is what I said..sort of the same as above and below)

 "there are not so many dogs around anymore who bring his mix of qualities to the table,  hard, strong, fast  dominant, super prey-civil balance, NO  handler agression, super detection/nose, and he and all littermates clean bill of healt  (duke)"

In the time it took to create this post, probably others posted on top of me.. 

To answer Jen, weak pigment with a reverse mask marking might still produce a mentally balanced dog, but the LACK of pigment in the dog, not the markings/pattern, would be the concern, because weak pigment, dilute pigment, light pigment DOES link up with undesireable things..  like health problems, and nerve issues. There are no "absolutes", but the lighter pigment is faulty, to the point of disqualification, depending. It is ALSO a form of extreme, and not balance. It would be a narrow minded individual who discounts a dog from the gene pool for the only reason being its face is gold with black edges instead of black with raccoon eyes.

double post

with all these remarkable qualities that come with reverse mask dogs it is uncanny that so many breeders have missed it, it's like they intentionally want to breed inferior dogs by not breeding for reverse masks.

the standard should be ammended to disqualify from breeding all dogs that don't have reverse masks.

so simple.

VK,

You must have been absent from primary school on the day your  teacher went over the "Jumping to Conclusions" chapter in your reading class.

If you aren't interested in the observations from  those of us that actually did these things, then please feel free to "jump" to another topic.

on the contrary i find your observations fascinating, remarkable in fact. if they are valid then they should be adopted in their entirety by all breeders looking to advance the breed. i am totally serious about that.

now to only validate your observations as actual fact of genetics and inheritance, i somehow doubt ridiculing others that question your observations counts as good science. similarly i doubt validation per chance that others agree with you will move us any closer to the truth.

furthermore i am not the one jumping to conclusions, you certainly are.

dont know about the traits linked to colour thing, I bred to his father for his qualities and I will breed to this dog for his qualities, not his colour, just amazes me how many people were negative after seeing him, that is why I started topic

here is another brother of him,also IPO3  I would say the reversed mask dogs were the stronger ones in the litter

All solid blacks and solid whites are reversed mask .. you just can't see it .. gotta look real hard.

Bubba, I was just saying to someone that in a few certain breedings, the blacks are quite different than the dominant colors. Happened 3 times now that the blacks out of a certain bitch are a certain type and they're different than their dominant color siblings. They also have lighter eyes, every single one of them. I find it fascinating to analyze genotypic vs. phenotypic expressions and correlations. Fun stuff and never-ending!