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aaykay

by aaykay on 06 July 2015 - 09:07

The below post by Gustav in a different thread, quoted by Sunsilver in an earlier post on this thread, has a load of common-sense in it and hopefully more people will realize how far away we have drifted from the GSD's heyday:

Blitzen, I do not seek out breeders that breed FOR Police dogs anymore than I would seek out breeders that breed FOR show dogs or sport dogs. I seek out breeders that breed for the complete dog according to standard. A good breeder will have dogs in a large litter capable of LE work, as well as pups in litter that make good strong family dogs. I will not seek or recommend a breeder that I know by genetics is breeding stock that is incapable of LE work or incapable of family or other utility work. If you understand the standard, show and sport are nowhere mentioned in the document....so why are so many people breeding dogs TO DO these two venues. It's faulty logic and direction for the breed and has had devastating effects. Byb are not the enemy to this breed, it's show and sport breeders. Why? Because byb don't have the national and international influence to propagate their breeding goals( like show and sport). Two, the show and sport people just as often use breeding stock that is inferior but it's clothed in titles and certs that legitimizes the breeding. Do you know how often I have seen show males and females that are no where close to having the temperament to produce anything but other show dogs be bred because they have championship or health clearances...or sport dogs that have so many lacking physical or structural deficiencies that they should never be bred, but they can produce more sport dogs. And these are elite breeders to the uninformed and semi-informed who fashion themselves as knowledgable. Now this doesn't mean there aren't some sport/show breeders breeding for total dog, but they are few and far between. So I seek out breeders that breed for correct structure, good health, and standard temperament....which identifies the GS as a guard dog type of dog/ LE type dog among many other characteristics that also make it an ideal family and utility dog. These breeders will have some pups in a litter that can do LE work( which is what I seek), some will be obedience dogs, some rally dogs, some, SAR dogs and some family dogs. A good litter will have dogs that except for the LE work which requires a little stronger character and maybe drive, have all of the pups capable of doing the other things I mentioned if trained for them( thus utility dog), and also good family dogs. That is what breeders should breed for,imo, to maintain this great breed. Now if a specific pup in a litter is exception in sport qualities, or conformation than if the right home they should be shown or competed with by all means. But to breed TO show or TO do sport leads to where we are today with a lack of balance in both camps.


by ILMD on 07 July 2015 - 03:07

this is just what some don't and never will get. a GSD is a reflection of what it was bred for. if one wants to be at the front of the line, one breeds the traits that get to the front of the line. point blank period, sport or show. if one wants a "utility" GSD, you breed utility dogs and maybe don;t get to the front of the line too often.

 


by Alexis Roy on 07 July 2015 - 12:07

My female was bred to Gordon vom Kellnerhof, who is black/tan working lines. They produced 4 black/tan male pups and I'll be holding back one for myself.

Gordon -

Puppies at 5 weeks



Excuse the haircut. He was shaved for some bloodwork.

 

And their dam, for good measure.

 

 


by Blitzen on 07 July 2015 - 12:07

Gustav's quote above was in response to my question asking if there was any one person or persons who influenced him in the breed. My intent was to bring some recognition to specific GSD breeders and mentors. That didn't work out too well.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 07 July 2015 - 13:07

There's a lot of angulation on that female for a working line!

Hopefully she will produce some nice movers.


by vk4gsd on 07 July 2015 - 13:07

i thought we just got done establishing on the flying trot thread that a lot of angulation inhibits movement?

 

 

 

 


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 07 July 2015 - 16:07

It's all about finding a happy medium, VK.  Too much angulation, and the dog's legs are weak, and flop all over the place. Too little, and the dog has a short, stitled stride like a terrier. Also, a dog that is too upright doesn't have the shock absorbing ability for jumping that a better angulated dog has.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 07 July 2015 - 21:07

Er, that was supposed to read 'stilted' stride, like a person on stilts.


aaykay

by aaykay on 09 July 2015 - 04:07

SS, I doubt any healthy straight-backed GSD would have problems with shock absorption or stilt-legged walking.  

In fact, a GSD without the roach and without the droopy-rear-with-over-angulation would be going back to the lovely original GSD structure (also present in the current day Malinois) that the founders intended  for a working breed.  A structure/temperament which made it the breed-of-choice - globally - for any duty that a working dog could do.


by vk4gsd on 09 July 2015 - 04:07

its one of those funny things, BC's, kelpies, male, huskies, pointers etc are in general terms the most athletic breeds that exist yet the theory SS and I guess others claim does not seem to jibe with the facts.

 

I would even argue a lot of straight fronted breeds in the terrier group lay waste to this angulation theory.






 


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