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bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

On the trip which countries did you visit and in which country do you and your dog reside?? Did or has your dog received any vaccinations within 30 days before, during or after your trip?? What did your dog eat while on your trip and did she eat or drink from local water sources or have any interactions with dogs or wildlife while on the trip?? What is your dog now eating as far as food and what is her normal diet. Again did her food or diet change while traveling?? I would feed her only human grade raw meat such as de-boned chicken, liver (sparingly), pork and beef. The stomach problems you described before and the trip are the most likely causes of your young females current problems. Vaccinations also come to mind as a possible trigger of some immune reactions or antigen triggered problem. Raw meat of human quality such as that purchased at a food store for humans is the safest and most easily digested food. How much does your female puppy weigh and what has been her history of weight gain over the last 4-5 months. I would worm her again with fenbendazole for 5-7 days as it is the safest wormer available and also gets giardia and whip worms with a 5-7 day regimen. If she had a severe internal parasite infestation and she was wormed but once she could have a reinfestation after 3-4 weeks as new parasites hatch out internally. Whip worms in particular are very tough to eliminate with some wormers and giardia is also a possibility due to recent exposure from water or foods on your travels.  The fenbendazole worming will not harm her and it will eliminate internal parasites most likely to be involved.  The vets can test her to death but the fenbendazole is cheap and will eleminate the possibility of many internal parasites causing the problem.  Has there been any blood in her stools and is her excrement loose, runny, solid, normal??  I would put her on an all meat .. cooked or raw diet immediately .. maybe some cooked rice mixed in with the meat if cooked.  Second I would start her on a seven day regimen of fenbendazole for internal parasites.  Neither of these actions should interfere with her other treatments or tests.


by xbitetab on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

First I would not be giving her all the drugs
She was not sick at stomach or diahrea before u started this
Why give her drugs for what she may not have. Vets just guess n dogs die from guessing games
Get the female xrayed. Spine , hips n look at her abdominal scene.. Do shoulder n elbow also she could have top vertebrae problems.
Quit the drug till a test shows the real problem

by xbitetab on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

When u mess up her whole system with unnecessary drugs which a panel would show if she is potassium or calcium deficient n mists pups if fed any decent diet should not be unless thyroid or liver is fAiling or has heart problems but a vet can test all that. Diseases are hard to tell but experienced vets can consult other specialists immediately n know without filling her with drugs

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

When you hear hoof beats think horses and not Zebras !! Your dog had a GI tract problem before the trip. Giardia or internal parasites is my best guess and I do it for free. A lot of X-rays are OK but unlikely to show anything definite unless she swallowed something that is in her stomach or GI tract. Exactly what do you do to a 7 month old growing female if she has skeletal problems?? Eliminate the most obvious, easiest, and least likely to harm your puppy first. I like Giardia or intestinal parasites.

http://www.vcahospitals.com/main/pet-health-information/article/animal-health/giardia-in-dogs/766

How is giardiasis treated?

The most common drug used to kill Giardia is metronidazole, an antibiotic. It is normally given for five to seven days to treat giardiasis. Another antiparasitic drug, fenbendazole, is suggested as a potentially useful treatment, especially when used in conjunction with metronidazole.  Giardia can be tested for but the test is not conclusive.  Fenbendazole will kill off the Giardia if present with a 5-7 day treatment.  If she responds to fenbendazole then withdraw the other drug treatments and retreat with fenbendazole plus metronidazole after the other drugs clear her system.  Too many drugs may do more harm than good if the problem is not Giardia or internal parasites and is instead an immune reaction.


bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

Just as a heads up .. the first rabies vaccination can make your dog very sick and the sickness can last for a month with the symptoms peaking one week after the vaccination.

Giardia is not easily detected or diagnosed unless you are looking for it.  ..... "A routine fecal flotation test may fail to detect these tiny cysts, which are shed inconsistently in the feces, and which often require a special zinc sulfate flotation solution for detection. Occasionally, the parasites may be seen on a direct smear of the feces. If your veterinarian suspects giardiasis, a sample of stool may be analyzed for the presence of Giardia specific antigens (cell proteins). Many cases are presumptively diagnosed on the basis of medical history and clinical signs suggestive of giardiasis."


by xbitetab on 23 August 2015 - 19:08

Yes Bubba I agree with your text but at this point would the vet not already have tested for the two most common things?
I'm assuming three visits would have determined but no symptoms were present he (op) stated giardia is smeAky but I carry Flagyll in my truck A quick X-ray of eabdomen then if not full of suspicious crap or foreign object which should show up with stool problems then skeletal is next

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 23 August 2015 - 20:08

Whipworms or whipworms plus Giardia is also a possibility

The whipworm of the dog (Trichuris vulpis) is substantially smaller than the other worms (a mere 30-50 mm in length, about two inches maximum) and is rarely seen as it lives in the cecum (the part of the large intestine where the small and large intestine meet).

SYMPTOMS OF INFECTION

A few whipworms generally do not pose a problem for the host but if large numbers of worms are present embedding themselves in the large intestine tissue, tremendous inflammation can result leading to a bloody, gooey diarrhea. Usually there is not enough blood loss to be dangerous but the diarrhea readily becomes chronic and hard to control. A second syndrome of infection has emerged but is not well understood, this being symptoms mimicking those of Addison’s disease (Hypoadrenocorticism). Here, a waxing and waning weakness with inability to conserve salt ultimately creates a dehydration crisis. The syndrome mimics Addison’s disease in every way except that testing for Addison’s disease will be negative and deworming yields a complete recovery.

At first signs are very vague - listlessness, possibly some vomiting or diarrhea. The pet just does not seem to feel right but not in an obvious way and may seem more or less normal most of the time as symptoms wax and wane with stress.

Because female whipworms only periodically lay eggs (whereas other female worms lay eggs continuously), a fecal sample tested may easily be negative for eggs. This makes the confirmation of a whipworm infection a challenge. It is common to deworm for whipworms if the symptoms are suggestive of the whipworm presence even if the fecal test is negative. Most common deworming agents do not work on whipworms so something special must be selected. The most common products are fenbendazole (Panacur®), and febantel (Drontal Plus®).


by dndjas on 24 August 2015 - 07:08

Her stool seems to be normal. But i wil consider for whipworm infestation.
I have problem in understanding the sudden loss of activity.
Now i am guessing some poisonous intake by her. as me and my dog lives alone. and i left her at 9am and on returning back at 1pm i found her restricted activity. may be she has taken some instects to eat or any thing. but i have things beyond her reach. so again i have suspicious about diagnosis.
i am confused and now one doctor here adviced me to give her steroids inj for three days. i dont know if its safe for her or not.

by dndjas on 24 August 2015 - 08:08

One more thing i want to mention is that, when we came back from the trip, she had diarrhea. so i have given her olfox+ornidazole drug bid after asking vet. and on the next day she came up with this problem. so should i consider the side effect of oflox ?

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 24 August 2015 - 13:08

NO, oflox should not be given to a puppy! I'm not a doctor but I know that! Fluoroquinolones are absolutely sometimes dangerous to pups. Increased risk of tendonitis, tendon RUPTURE even, worsening of effects from myasthenia gravis, cartilage damage, the list goes on and on. I am appalled at how many times I have had to point this out to a vet prescibing it to a pup too young to have it. They have genuinely not been aware (ciprofloxacin, most often).

Myasthenia gravis possible? If so, the oflox undoubtedly made it worse. If not, then it's the long list of dangerous side effect proving themselves real on your poor dog!!!

Provided I have understood everything you've posted correctly, the drugs are not helping! So, stop them. Maybe if there is a change in her condition one way or another, you'll have another clue to follow. I would look very hard at myasthenia gravis as a possible cause, not only because of her symptoms but also because of the oflox making her so much worse. The two things together make it a reasonable thing to investigate. 






 


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