show or working line for my female ? help (be advised graphic pics, may upset some) - Page 10

Absolutely, Blitzen; and far too many of the 'working' folk do not Koer,
so they are not stacking theirs anytime either.

If it were easy there would be a lot more really good GSD's I guess, Linda . It's a tough breed to get right, maybe the toughest in the purebred dog world. Taking short cuts and making excuses for not training, titling, working in an appropriate venue. health checking, xraying etc only adds more garbage to the mix. Knowing what I know now, I am truly glad I never aspired to breed a litter or GSD's.

Titling with false and unreliability favouritism in test that is made that most dogs pass as long as your part of a click is not worth a shit .If you want to test your dog do it for real. Most dogs will fail these tests while in front of a judge most will pass. You work that out. No faith in titles at all.

Yep. And those who don't want to do the hard yards ought not to be
breeding. It is why I don't, too.
No reason if they want to produce puppies - for any of those reasons
like showing their kids the power of nature, giving a gift pet to family /
friends, keeping one that is "just like mum", etc - they can't take on a
different breed. Part of the difficulty with GSDs is because they are
multi-purpose and adaptable, it leads humans to (mistakenly) think
that just anyone can and should be able to own them, no matter if
they can provide a suitable life for the dog, or not. But a breed SO
complex demands a more complicated approach, than a breed really
created to do only one function, whichever that is. Hunter; sheepdog;
lap - pet, retriever, whatever. Plus as has been pointed out, the breed
as a whole has been done a great deal of damage over the years, and
it behoves us as humans to do what we can to try to put those health
structural and temperament issues right, not just go on willy nilly and
make them worse. Hence the demand for PDB for this breed in particular !

Yogi, I can't argue against that. That's why I said "working in an appropriate venue". If every breeder had taken the high road and done it the right way from day one we wouldn't need to talk about midnight trials, etc.. Human nature being what it is, too many took the path of least resistance and this is what we are left with. How do you prove your dogs? What do you feel is appropriate? The best dog my bitch produced is OB titled out the wazoo, is AKC pointed, has earned many GSDCA awards and I think he's the most OB titled GSD in the country right now. He has never been exposed to protection, no clue if he will bite of not. In the AKC world that's discouraged.  Is he breed worthy?

Great post, Linda . I have never had a problem finding a great dog when I wanted one and the last 2 didn't cost me one cent .

"Is he breed worthy?"
Border Collies, corgies, golden retreivers, can obtain those ob titles...how is the gsd with only those titles different, what makes him a gsd? can he perform in the work gsds excel in? Your gsd can do what they can do, can he do what differentiates the gsd from other breeds?
Based only on ob titles, that's not enough to judge breedworthy or not.
A proper gsd is not so complicated as to make them unsuitable for novice owners. If that is the case, that they are so complicated it takes 'special' owners, its not what the gsd is supposed to be.

Health checking, xraying is garbage added to the mix? How so? I don't understand.

Very thought provoking posts.

Blitz first social not on edge when in public can handle kids running around not shy alert. Confident around noise. Recovers from any suitation quick. Good drives. That's before I start any bite work. Then I like to see natural aggression when confronted dog on a chain stand his own ground no handler. Then usual guns large platic bottles all in in an area he does not know. Then the handler with him confindince should grow real persure put on him now. And most importantly a off switch and theirs the nerve.. its hard to put it in writing but i tryed ☺

Enough,is enough,the horse is already dead.

Thanks for your observations, Joan. I agree that advanced OB titles do not really prove the specific breed worthiness of a GSD. The AKC and the SV are world's apart on what makes a specific dog of a specific breed worthy of carrying the torch. I'm not sure that biting proves much either since the GSD isn't the only breed that can do that. Malis seem to be better. It's complicated. In your/anyone's  opinion, what would be an appropriate test of a GSD's breed worthiness? A test that would be mandatory in order for a GSD to produce a registered litter? We have similar discussions almost every day on my Malamute FB forum. Everyone has their own idea.

I didn't mean health checking and xaying brought garbage to the table. I meant that not doing it did. I have to use better punctuation I think.