any insight on this breeding pair? - Page 6

Blitzen, you described almost perfectly what every breeder over here has to do with his breeding stock ( DM tests still are not the norm ).
A 8 - 10 weeks old puppy out of parents like this is good for 600 - 900 Euro.
No pre x-rays ( i don´t believe in x-rays with dogs younger than six months - you may be able to see a missing socket, but you are not able to see later results like a noch zugelassen/leichte HD ) , and no official guarantee, although breeders became more flexible during the last years.
What do I want to explain? In your country it´s a big deal to train, title, and health test, for us it´s daily routine for a lot less money.

@blitzen, That's what I said, a warranty but NOT a guarantee those issues won't arise. You did say 'guarantee'....how many people come on these forums complaining the 'breeder guaranteed' the pup would not get HD or ed. Samantics, maybe, but for the sake of those who would be misled, clearity is essential...:-)
This what you said, which can be misleading for 'newbs'..'The pups are 100% guaranteed against DM, HD, elbow incongruities.'

 

After all it doesn´t matter as long as people are pleased with their dogs. Your friends sound like honest breeders.

Why would I need to have bought a dog from them to know the quality of their breeding?  I see their dogs often at shows, I know some of the owners and I've trained with them. I've seen some of the litters grow from 3, 4 weeks until adulthood and see how they are handled.  I go to shows and trials and I watch what's going on. I take care of them when their owners are out of town. They are all sold for the next 2,3 years, so you'll have to send your buyers elsewhere.

Susie, for years  I thought that was the way all GSL breeders did it so they could breed to the German standard. Coming from another breed I was literally wowed over the dedication it took to do it the right way.

I'm glad puppies in Germany are less expensive, but til we pay the shipping et al and no guarantee of any sort, it sort of evens itself out in the end for US buyers. German buyers  don't expect guarantees and all dogs are sold "as is" - Am I right? Here in the AKC world it is almost impossible to sell a dog of any breed without a guarantee.  German buyers can usually get to know the breeders easier and can drive to most kennels and training clubs.  At 8 weeks these puppies would cost less, closer to 3K, but they are not trained, etc and to the best of my knowledge very few are place before 4 months, most a few months older.

They are very honest, Susie and and since I met them only one has had a dog returned and she is sleeping on my bed right now.

By the term "AKC world" I meant people who routinely show at AKC shows either in conformation or OB. They normally demand guarantees or they walk away.

Blitzen, those are not MY buyers, they are people looking for puppies that can be shown in akc and they expect to pay out the nose. So ill continue to tell them what they seek doesnt exist. Very elite, that they won't even allow the kennel name to be mentioned? Crappy kennels are on these forums by name all the time, but this kennel can't be named? Blitzen, it doesn't take five thousand dollars to have a warranty policy on pups.
Your dog bounced eight times before she landed with you, didnt you say on numerous threds ? Proof that the amount of money charged for a puppy doesn't guarantee quality buyers.

At the end it´s about honesty and the quality of the "end product".
It´s always refreshing to read that there are responsible breeders in your country.
Over here we are not able to make money with breeding "only" ( only with selling adults, training dogs, or by owning a stud dog ).
In case they are able to make money out of their litters by adhering to a high, not common standard, that´s fine with me.
I really believe in "buying locally"-just do your homework.

If anyone wants the contact information on any of these breeders  contact me privately.They don't flog their litters all over the net and sell most of their dogs privately. If anyone is wondering about the details of why my current dog had 7 homes by the time she was 3 1/2, they can PM me. It had nothing to do with the breeder. I'm not ashamed of her history, but I really wish you hadn't gone there, Joan. I told you those details in confidence.
 

I guess most of the "good" breeders are not on this board, because they are actively involved in dog sports/showing, and their dogs are sold without any advertisements, because potential buyers want to own a dog like the one they saw either on the field or in the ring ( in the best case at both venues ).

No, actually I learned about it on posts here, you've mentioned your dog having been rehomed eight times before she was two yr old in numerous discussions. And I didn't say it was the breeder's fault, I said extreem price doesn't guarantee a good buyer.
My point was that good breeders are a secret but crappy ones are not. Anyone interested in buying a pup from your breeder must wait for three years to get in line, you said. Being as you have talked on here about the breeder of your dog, I know now who the kennel you're talking about, they do a good job...A friend of mine is good friends with her and sees her at shows. No problem. In fact, she'll see her in Mo next month at the Nationals. My friend has some nice dogs, too. :-)