German shepherd 1957 all the GSD experts here watch good - Page 3

What was wrong with the structure of the dogs from 57??

 

Hund, I wasn´t talking about Zamp, although he wasn´t perfect ( a stunning type, not too big, but a heavy dog, not able to show the gait I love,already too clinched in the back for my taste ), but I doubt Blackmal ever saw this dog.
This is a beautiful vid about this dog: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tquc4
Are you able to see what I mean? Once again, a beautiful dog, but for me at the end of the scale.

Sorry aakay, but you have to not just be an expert, but some sort of dog God to "see" athleticism from a standing picture of a dog. I'd love to have that ability, but haven't met a person yet who can look at a picture of a dog, or even see a dog in real life just standing and guarantee superior arhleticism or working ability.

Johan, nothing is "wrong" with the structure of those dogs. What's wrong is making the claim/assumption that the structure in those dogs is healthy or that those dogs are healthy by today's standards.

Black, they look healthy?

The only dog shown in this vid while "working" was the one faded in color, and I´d bet my last cent the hips of this dog are not good. Watch the vid once again...

Only for the report:
Hip x-rays came up in the sixties because A LOT OF DOGS were affected...
and a lot of dogs died at early age ( unknown reasons, dogs were not that important during that time, and science still had to learn a lot ). You want a dog out of this aera ???

Besides that: In case anybody would show a recent video of a dog behaving like the dogs in this video, you´d laugh loud, and diss the dog in question without any doubt.

My grandfather, who used to own this breed his whole life, and got his first German Shepherd somewhen in the 1930s (and his last dog in the 70s ) was amazed about the development of the breed in case of health and working ability...

I suppose black malinois means the GSD had a more natural anatomy in earlier years, if anatomy isn´t important why are the malinois and other breeds where function is the goal less problems with bad backs and also are athletic, or is this just a myth, don´t think so. HD is less of a problem because people select against it more than in former times, still a problem thou as is other diseaes, even if those may not be tied to the anatomy unless the apperance is more important than health. Still GSDs with correct structure also exist in 2015, at least to me and those who want a working dog,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h79d9a2s8zQ

 

It is better discuss about GSD not on a GSD related  forum I have learned.

Better discuss about this on a forum with GSD and other breeds this gives a more
clear and honest opinion about GSD and their issues thas on a forum what is

more GSD related

Most of the people /breeders will never learn thats why GSD breed will never be better
in anatomy and charactar IMO. Because they stay in the SV system

I know there are some people and breeders like Duke and Joan and some others
do the best they gonna do but this people are only a exception.

Well known people who defend the showline GSD and think this dogs are right
in anatomy and charactar have to shame themselves.

There are many good movies and pictures about GSD from the beginning of 1900
until 1960 . even Stevie Wonder can see this dogs are superior in anatomy than
most of GSD today.

An other interesting topic is the influence from wolves in the beginning from the breed GSD. Of course there is some influence this is no secret there are some people also who will or can,t see this makes me laugh.

I stay out of the discussions for now  . every year there

are same discussions about this same topics it will never end...........

 

I wish you all the best for 2016

 

 

Nice video Johan. I remember a lot of GSD's with that build and color even before I started my career in Police K-9 in the late 70's. Black Malinois I would like to comment but am afraid to as the last time I said something about show line GSD's on this forum I almost was kicked off as well as receiving a harsh remark or two! LOL

Blackmalinois I worked with both breeds from the late 60's.

What is your opinion about a purebred Belgium ring line Mechelaar from that era vs a 2015 one.

I think Duke once said this and i agree, a good Mechelaar is not easy to find these days.

 

Quote: "Well known people who defend the showline GSD and think this dogs are right
in anatomy and charactar have to shame themselves."

I think this is similar to the story about the emperor's clothes, where the emperor is strutting around thinking he is wearing some super special clothing, with a bunch of his crony subjects oohing and aaahing about the "clothes" he is supposedly wearing...........until the innocent child points out that the emperor is buck nekkid. You, BM, is the innocent child in this case, while the emperor is of course the show crowd.

The whole non-show-GSD world is sniggering at what the dogs have "transformed" into, while the SV adherents have convinced themselves that it is an ideal structure. Thankfully, they are not claiming that the temperament is also ideal, since that "transformation" is very easy to rip into shreds quickly. To quote Manfred Heyne from that other thread: "Go back and study the wolves" to see how far away from the ideal is this "transformed" structure of these modern showdogs......and also of course how close was the original GSD structure to that of nature's best trotter, the wolf.

I think the Showline v Workline debate has been done here to death. Each to there own and nobody here has a right to tell anyone what they should like or not like. So going by the past debates and the few posters here I think we should call it a day, draw a line under it and go about having fun working/showing/pet owning/ whatever your fancy with the "type" we each prefer. Why that should bother either side I have never understood and if the baiting continues as that's what this thread amounts to I will lock it.


Finally if any member has a comment about what I have just posted...do so in a PM. Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.