Crufts 2016 - Page 7

Gayvilles Nilo ?

Has anyone read the statement on the GSDL website ? Quite an eye opener . What hope is there for change ?

What's Nilo got to do with it ?

BradyB
If you mean the League statement and handler's report, about Crufts 2016 BOB,
did anyone really expect them to say any different ?

What we need is not excuses about how dreadful the Group Ring and Group
Judge were (though I do have issues with the latter, given the sheer number
of other dogs in the Pastoral Group who were also rolling their eyes at him !);
nor the repeat of how the Vets don't find anything amiss - I for one am not
contesting that, see earlier posts, - but an honest appraisal of:
-has the overall shape now gone too far to be aesthetically pleasing to anyone ?
-has the hind angulation become a real problem (that age & exercise no longer
solves )?
-do we have too much wonky BASIC movement because its been sacrificed to
moving 'correctly' at fast gait (and ONLY at fast gait)?
- was this particular winner's reaction too pronounced to be considered correct
GSD temperament ? Should she have coped better with the stresses undoubtedly
involved, and should her reaction have resulted in physical meltdown IN THE WAY OUR EYES TOLD US IT UNDOUBTEDLY DID ?

 

And does all this now apply to too many of the GSDs in the UK ?

Yes yes, definately yes to everything you said Hundmutter.
I mentioned Nilo as a guess to the dog yaddayadda was speaking about !

Oh. Thanks. I couldn't remember if G Nilo took the tickets
record, you are probably right. And yes quite a few accusations
levelled at the dog - which I would not presume to know whether
were all correct or not ! - but I don't recall the hips on his progeny
being at issue. Maybe just my memory ! Getting old !
I'll have to look him up.
I was just thrown by the way Yadayada put it !

Interesting discussion, intelligent posts from all where good points were raised. I have a small opinion that is on the general view.

There is no harm in learning for the better. Few years ago I liked and tried to find excuses for curved backs, learning and understanding more about movement, I now do not defend nor like curved backs. A slight curvature has minute effect on movement but it should not be promoted as things tend to increase and become excessive. Same goes for excessive rear angulation which should stop at the limit of providing enough power and way less the point where risk of loose rear becomes a result.
The dog looks good in the photo Susie posted, but not good enough to be the breed representative. Video and other pictures make me feel bad about what I favored few years ago.

Thanks Ibrahim - while you & I differ as to the point at
which the structure of the dogs became such an issue,
it is useful to hear about the effects of the developments
on the dogs. Most people (like me) do not enquire too
far into the way the skeleton - ours or our dogs ! - works,
we just go by what becomes regarded as 'normal'. So dogs
are bred on what has become the 'normal' pattern, without
much thought.

Now, the Veterinary view of the current large number,
probably majority, of GSDs is that they should not find
evidence that developments are bad from the health
p.o.v., that they do not result in disease or real deformity.
Generally the Vets are not concerned with the niceties
of effects of changes in the muscular-skeletal system,
when no evidence of disease or disability is found.
This is particularly true of the KC regulated Vet. Inspections
at Shows.

So breeders need to consider what a more in-depth
approach to the study of the effects of conformation on
movement might reveal.

And they ought to be casting an eye, too, to the near future
and what may happen if the current directional development
goes unhalted.


But can we please also not lose sight of the temperament
issue with the Crufts debacle ???

There is an interesting article on Facebook by Malcolm Griffiths regarding Crufts where he comments on the female BOB and handler. He also goes on to say that he judged the female when she was a puppy and, in the article, he says " the female has never in my view been strong in temperament, I noticed and gave her the benefit of the doubt in Wales when she was a puppy ,most would not even have noticed".

In my view the comments by Malcolm Griffiths should be a pointer for all Newbies to the breed a lesson for the way to go. I concur absolutely with his comments because is a very knowledgeable man who has a good eye for a dog. Breeders and Judges would be well advised to read the article in full and give careful consideration to what they are actually doing with this breed.

Mackenzie

MG, outstanding judge and handler....

The only outcome here is the dog is a champ and her progeny will be well sought after and more breeders will try and replicate her except even more extreme.

Can't believe folks still get hung up on this shit like the breed is some kind of unified thing.

Know what you want and know how to get it.

The rest is just trying to sound all serious and smart as if the banter actually means anything.

Mack if you were ever going to do anything aboutvthis you had 30 years to do so already.

vk - even you must realise that this something everyone has to tackle together. When I was active I did keep on the straight and narrow and I have always spoken against the things that we are seeing today much as I do today.

Mackenzie