Comparing show and Working line prices - Page 2

What nerve, lol! She wanted you to pay her for wasting her time!? Glad you ended up with a great pup... Not from her!

Yeah... It was a mess. I'm glad I ended up with Bosco, and I have a great relationship with his breeder. He even sent me some candy from overseas with Bosco's paperwork. :)

If you really want a capable working dog - take a knowledgeable person along and ask permission to TEST the parents.

Many, many titled dogs will crumple under even minimuim pressure. (As will many untitled dogs)

Susie says in Europe Seldom will a working line pup go for 1200 Euros - nonsense. My pups start at that price to stay in the UK - untitled parents. (As per my website) However unlike MOST kennels - my small TRAINING kennel allows buyers TO TEST mum and dad, and by test, I am not talking about merely flashing a sleeve.

My dogs will bypass - CO2, shotgun fire, high pressure water, multiple attackers, and much more - and ALWAYS engage.

Finally be aware, no matter how good the genetics - without knowledgeable handling / training, you will have nothing more than a high energy dark sable pet.

Best of luck.

Regards
Gee











 

 

Holland Showline VA puppies both parents certified and tested around 850 euro

Working line Bolle,Drago ,etc both parents etc certified and tested around 700- 850 euro

USA is over rated with ridiculous puppie prices and I have seen some parents are not even titled  or tested on paper ............


 

 

Gee, I deleted my last post, because I didn´t want to start a new argument...

I talked about "normally", not about exceptions.
As far as I know German Shepherd Dog puppies in the UK "normally" cost between £500 and £900, most of them somewhere between £600 and £800 ( € 719 - € 958 ), no difference to the rest of West Europe.

I am glad for you, that you are able to get that much money for your puppies. Looking at your ads, it has been less.

Kind regards

@Susie
Bit worried you have been looking at my old ads lol.

Supply and demand dictates what people will pay.

My very small breeding / training kennel - Darkvakia, has only been going for circa three years, and in that time demand has significantly increased.

(I have been training for twenty years and breeding for circa three years)

Everything I do is transparent, that includes my training and prices, all of which are on my web site. We currently attain £995.00 or circa 1200 Euros for a pup. (As per website - puppies available page)

Typically one litter a year - so very small fry, on a different note training interests me much more than breeding, I am not interested in having twenty bitches churning out pups, mainly because I do not have the time to ensure twenty bitches are the real deal.
(By that I mean genuinely capable of protecting and well balanced family members)

The few dogs I have are genuine / reliable protectors, extremely well balanced and capable of with standing very high stress situations. (all trained by me).

The majority of pups come back for training.

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Depending on exchange rates at the time of import, the difference between a dog from Europe and the United States is negligible for someone in America. Therefore you see the prices that you see. Once you take into account the shipping cost, broker fee, customs duties, ect, it makes sense why people should just be buying locally and not dealing with the headache of doing international business with a stranger. On top of that we all know stories of how many American customers get treated by European breeders and it's easy to understand why American breeders are able to charge what they do.

On top of that, we have a large pet market with money to spend who do equate cost to quality. Since titles aren't necessary to breed, they're just "something extra" here to market your dog with. If a puppy out of non-titled parents can be sold to some sucker for $1200, easy to see why breeders who are titling are asking for $1800+.

@bw
You make some valid points.

Where you fall down is - what is your kennel name?

There is a MASSIVE difference between talking and walking.

A titled dog can quite easily be NOT fit for purpose, when it comes to CREDIBLE tracking and protection.

My kennel is - www.darkvakia.com

What is yours?

R
Gee

A title on a dog is nothing but a money making opportunity . Iv seven many gsd with titles out in the real world shit themselves when something happens unexpectedly . There is no real test in a in a title dog .I would rather buy a pup from real dogs that have been put through hard real area's and have over come them . Not dog that have put through a system that is designed for them to pass. And I will put this out their is what Gee and other's on this forum are doing with their dog in the form of man work when finished and the dog excel is that not a title . Real dogs real money

Yogi, the problem with the line you are taking is that where "there is no real test in a title dog", actually there is no real test in " a pup from real dogs that have been put through real hard areas" either. How do I prove to buyers that my puppies for sale have A) a mother (my own) who has been 'real life' tested ? You only have my word for it. How do I prove B) their sire (a dog owned by someone else) has been through a real hard area, if there are no titles on his record ? You - and I - only have the word of the stud's owner. Gets even more complicated if you want to look further back in the bloodline. Not all dogs that compete or do PPD or K9 work are good enough or well known enough (especially given just how MANY there are) for the rest of the world to have actually seen them work, or have 'heard of' them through discussion at Clubs etc. Only the top, titled, greats get to be common knowledge, how many dogs WITH NO TITLES do you know all about ? If you 'keep it local' and only buy / breed with dogs you get some knowledge of because you know the owners personally, you restrict your choices down to either very low or in many cases zero, before long.