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by duke1965 on 25 November 2016 - 09:11
really VK you should do some reading before you respond to posts like this, 90 % of KNPV dogs is mix or no pedigree dog and all mix breeding to supply policedogs in eastern europe is supplying a large part of the worldwide policedog demand
here is your tipical easter block mali X german shep mix
https://youtu.be/NIuk7siaGBQ
by vk4gsd on 25 November 2016 - 09:11
Mix breeds have no ancestors?
Nobody in eastern block and knpv know anything about the parents of the dogs they breed? There are no record of ancestry, no BRN?
You know if you mix BREEDS then you are mixing PEDIGREES, that information does not disappear.
my dog has no papers, his litter mates do. does my dog have a pedigree?
KNPV is not a sport?
by duke1965 on 25 November 2016 - 11:11
Some KNPV trainers and breeders however take pride in breeding and training strong dogs, like van leeuwen dutch shepherds for example,
all mixed breeds are non pedigree, mostly over multiple generations, some including bullbreeds, terrier breeds etc mixed in, and yes they are bred for policework only in eastern europe, hundreds a month, washouts go to garden
by duke1965 on 25 November 2016 - 11:11
here is a american bulldog X malinois mix, now working in USA prison as drug detectiondog
https://youtu.be/toQa887_whA
by kitkat3478 on 25 November 2016 - 14:11
Here's my boy Easy, aks Bear. He started out same as all my pups do. Always with the desire going in, that each and every pup I breed will have the potential to become certified Police k9. NEVER the expectation that they all will. I am realistic
He started out, with my being duped, in what was to be a regular home, but ended up being neglected and mistreated. THANK GOD , he found his way home.
I was seriously worried about his overall outlook for the future. He was very scared, esp., of men.
Believe it or not, he was welcomed back into my pack, as if he never left. His confidence and overall strength returned rather quickly, and his added boldness stood out, within a month.
I sent a video to my trooper friend, who is coordinator police k9, he said hell yeah...
next morning Bear was picked up, that afternoon he was on the training field, new name, EASY, new life, now certified Police k9, maybe not born TO BE a police dog, but, most important thing, Born with the ABILITY to be one....and he is not alone from my breedings, so apparently.. the genetics are here.
by kitkat3478 on 25 November 2016 - 14:11
Have to give him his Glamour shot too. Very proud of him. Waiting on word of the last recruit,
by Bavarian Wagon on 25 November 2016 - 16:11
Then on top of all that...you add in the ability of the trainer. Very few have what it takes to make it to the highest levels of sport, yet somehow most states (in America) have multiple trainers/facilities that raise/train/sell dogs to police departments without a problem.
by duke1965 on 25 November 2016 - 16:11
if you take all the hours of training into an IPO3 competitiondog and compare that to a green policedog your IPO3 dog will bring you about 3 cents an hour training, or to turn it around, it takes years of training to be a top sportdog so should bring a higher price
second of all I am talking TRAITS or genetic basics to start with before training
and third no training can make an overly social dog suspicious or make a soft dog hard, etc etc
by Bavarian Wagon on 25 November 2016 - 17:11
I get what you’re talking about with traits…but you’re greatly over generalizing. I think that prey is important to a lot sport people, but balance in aggression is also something most look for. LE might not need the obedience drive that sport does which is why “balance” is thrown around, but to me it’s more that they are willing to settle for less or they just don’t need the extreme drive we’re talking about for high level sport. Every time I see “balanced” in an advertisement, it basically means lower/medium level of drive in all phases. Club level dog, and with the right training possibly a K9 prospect. Like you stated earlier (and very true) the most important thing for LE is environmental nerve/stability, something most sport people and even pet people don’t care too much about because our dogs just need enough to get through their limited daily life.
You know what I’d really love an answer to…if police departments/trainers value the aggression and sharpness of the type of dog that would generally be more associated with a “defensive dog,” why is it that they have no issue purchasing and training malinois which are 99% of the time completely the opposite? Leaving out the cost/upkeep/working life of a malinois…if the traits you listed are what LE values, how is it they even consider malinois?
by duke1965 on 25 November 2016 - 19:11
secondly most "malinois" that go to police are actually MIX malinois, populair is mix GSD X Malinois where they get best of both worlds and we sell the ones with malinois looks to the ones who want malinois
the Am bulldog X malinois video that I posted was actually sold to a contract that stated "only malinois"
here is one very nice balanced mix mali I tested today
https://youtu.be/f36yE55fGwA
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