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by jettasmom on 06 July 2020 - 12:07

My comments were made thinking the dog was a puppy. Well not a puppy but seriously he hits the dog, sorry zero exceptions for this conduct. Bashing the pedigree zero exceptions. Making excuses as well as blaming the owner is wrong.
There are excellent trainers out there but you as the owner need to protect your dog at all times.

by NatureDragon on 06 July 2020 - 12:07

Valk she was not on a leash when this happened, he told me to drop the leash and just let her go. If I had her on the leash I would not let her jump up on the counter in the first place. My goal for the class was to get her a focused heel and stronger recall.
All the obedience classes here were on hold due to covid and just starting to open up now. I had her in agility and barn hunt prior, and those classes on hold as well. She does know many basic commands. Maybe social, but I can't control that. She has always been solid in the public since I got her off of the airplane at 8 weeks, and while she does not like everyone, she is not suspect of most people either, so no, she really is not aloof of all strangers.
Obviously it's ok with some trainers (as you) to hit young dogs on the face and head the first time they meet them, but not for me. I will find a new class for her, so I'm looking forward to that.

by NatureDragon on 06 July 2020 - 12:07

Kootz thanks for the great links!
I dont have the facebook but I can still see the first page on it.

by Nans gsd on 06 July 2020 - 13:07



by Rik on 06 July 2020 - 15:07

I'm not a high level trainer, but hitting a pup in the head is not going to teach it to be "aloof".

she is what she is, so you know where your starting point is and in time, what she is capable of. also if she meets your expectations.

obviously, she is not a spook or she would have run the other way when you dropped the leash, so just figure out what you are working with, where you want to go, and if you think she can get you there.

and really, find a trainer that likes dogs, this sounds like a complete azzhole that your experience would be 180 degrees different if you had bought from him.


by NatureDragon on 06 July 2020 - 21:07

Rik I think he just hit her to stop the behavior she was doing, not to make her aloof. The only time he struck her was when she jumped up on the counter, and then after that when she licked/mouthed his hand. I think perhaps her behaviors just annoyed him. I just know I'm not going back there, esp after learning that this is not common behavior among trainers.


by Hundmutter on 07 July 2020 - 02:07

It IS about not hitting (any) dog in the face (because it can make them hand-shy, and no-one wants a hand-shy dog, surely ValK ?) and it is about not using harsher punishments for minor crimes, which is just unfair; and depending on how hard the Trainer hit this dog (twice), even if the dog had been fully mature both those points apply. But for me it is also about 'people skills' - I don't care if this was the best-qualified Trainer in the world, or just some fellow dog owner down the park - YOU DO NOT LAY CORRECTIVE HANDS ON ANYONE ELSE'S DOG WITHOUT PRIOR DISCUSSION AND PERMISSION. END OF. Its simply not polite or sensible.

Oh, and no client gives that much permission just by signing up to a club / course.  [Unless you've made them sign a form which has, in very big letters in a prominent place, something to the effect that they ARE giving that sort of permission, and paying for it !]

I can see times when I've given a (actually fairly gentle) tap on the head to stop a dog muzzling into something it shouldn't; but that was to MY dog, not someone else's. Its nobodies business but mine how hard or otherwise, or how it affects my dog for the future ... but if I do it to someone else's dog, they need to know I won't do anything that will harm their dog, they can misjudge how hard they think I hit their dog, they can have different interpretations of what I'm doing to their dog & why I'm doing it. Too many imponderables to make it worth doing just to 'prove' / advertise my training abilities.

by GSCat on 07 July 2020 - 05:07

Yes, going into, being in, and/or coming out of heat can affect a bitch's behavior. I had one that flat out refused to work while she was in heat. She ended up spayed so she wouldn't lose a couple months of work a year.

My current dog is all Czech working lines. She gets really bitchy/grumpy/handler aggressive and even more extremely hard headed than she usually is in the 1-2 weeks before going into heat. She's ticklish during heat, has somewhat different potty habits and patterns (likely due to heat bloating), and is very particular about keeping herself clean while in heat. She bites harder and more enthusiastically coming out of heat and is even more playful than her usual nonstop go/clowning/play/run. She loses weight and heat bloat coming out of heat, and every heat except this last one she's had very noticeable mental and emotional maturing. This time, she mentally, but not emotionally, seriously reverted to older puppy stage. YIKES!

This dog is the only one I've ever had to use a prong collar, and this became very obvious early. I've had Sibe and GSD and mix of the two, and this dog is like having a Siberian Husky in a German Shepherd body. She needs both positive reinforcement and negative correction in training/work, consistency, fairness, and close attention to whichever drive she's in. YOUCH!

Now that you've gotten a little laugh, run away really, really fast from that guy. If he's a big wheel at the local club, or their trainer/head trainer/an officer, don't go there. The whole club might reflect his attitude/methods, and you certainly don't want that. A longer drive that saves you and your dog heartbreak is well worth it. From what you posted, anything, including PetSmart/PetCo, would be better than that guy. Even if all you get from PetSmart/PetCo is some socialization for your dog, that's useful and important.

Leerburg has some free (and a bunch of paid) training videos that are good. Many have a free preview so you can get an idea about the course before shelling out $$$ The people there are always happy to provide more information/answer questions so you get the right class(es).

Depending on what kind of membership/product options you get at AKC, you can get free training and behavioral advice. There's a lot of good basic information on their site, too.

Some clubs post training information and videos.

If you haven't temperament tested your dog, this needs to be done ASAP, because this will impact how you train your dog.

Most importantly--have loads of fun, and make sure your dog does, too.

by ValK on 07 July 2020 - 10:07

that's right, if you don't like other to slap your dog for undesirable behavior, don't wait for a year but teach your dog to an acceptable behavior from the moment of owning, including correction through slapping if needed. end of the story.

by Hired Dog on 07 July 2020 - 11:07

Valk, I agree that correcting behaviors that are rude or a danger to others is imperative, however, anyone puts their hands on my dog to correct him, well, proper decorum prevents me from describing the rest of my thoughts....
Again, MY dog, MY corrections, at all times, any place. No, I will not allow my dog to molest you, but, if he walks up to you and you hit him, just because he walked up to you...again....lets just say you will have more things then the dog to worry about...


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