Has vom Salztalblick produced any hard dogs? - Page 3

People don't learn very quickly and most of the time they don't spend the time or effort in trying to learn...To them they hear things and then just go off on their own and produce dogs that aren't worth the title of Working Dog...
As for Fero...He has produced well but to over use any dog or to have him in a pedigree multiple times is just not a good thing...
There are many good dogs that produce worthy progeny but it takes 2 to produce...You have to match the dogs up...A pedigree is just a tool...Use it and learn...

~Bob~

The potential demise of real working GSD is a huge concern.

The dwindling breadth of the real working GSD genetic pool could be of concern (I don't know enough to say for sure).  I personally believe the dilution of at least some of the working GSD lines is a concern, although I acknowledge there are some here that would disagree with me about this..

People that want good looking coats but don't care about anything else are looking for trophy dogs/status symbols.  In other words, dog(s) to make them look good.  These are the people will put down their dogs when they get older due to natural perceived "deterioration" in looks, rather than incurable pain or suffering.  These are the people that want designer breeds (AKA mutts) because it's what's in vogue and not because of any specific characteristics/blend of characteristics (other than perhaps looks), and they're willing to pay a lot of $$$. Kind of like the fashion of exaggerated slanted back American show line GSD

 

hired
unfortunately that's a problem. today almost impossible to find the dog who fit first 2 out of 3 mentioned criteria.
size/physical strength and innate psychological readiness aren't a things which gain points in sport application. sport need a malinoish type, who enthusiastically yaping and jumping into face of decoy, which from point of confrontation absolutely wrong tactic. but seems such behavior has appreciation among judges, handlers, breeders and of course spectators.
even dog may have lots of desire, readiness and excellent skill to fight human but if dog can be jammed up or lifted without much of effort, that dog won't be effective in confrontation and easy can be incapacitated or killed, facing determined opponent even without use of weapon.


Q Man
OP not yet have dogs, neither plan any breeding in near future. just theorizes for now and tries to gain max of information about different aspects and possibilities of breed and best way to establish in the future own program to achieve set goals in regards of preferred type of GSD.

Valk, as with everything, the middle is the best place to be. A dog that is too heavy will not last long enough to track 3 miles in the heat. A dog that heavy will run out of gas during a fight and speaking from first hand experience, NOTHING matters when you cant breathe anymore, NOTHING.
Lastly and most importantly, think of lawsuits, that is the reality of today's dogs biting anyone, private or public.
There are lawyers today that know more about training and biting then some of the best trainers in the world and you dont want to meet them in a court setting...
Everyone wants a bad ass dog that can take on King Kong, but, agencies have to worry about the aftermath. My local agency used to allow the handlers to write up their bite policy, that changed years a go when reality slapped them hard a couple of times and its now written by lawyers and examined by other lawyers who work for other lawyers.
Its no longer how hard your dog bites, its how much is this bite going to cost.

This is a hard dog produced by Salztablick, call name Masada. Was not a fun first dog for me :) but he taught me a lot about being fair, being clear in my communication with him.  

@Cutaway

Bet that dog was a handful! Nice dog.

This is a strange post! Willie Muller has not been breeding dogs for quite a while now.

The Salztalblick Kennel has produced many great dogs (Sport, Police and Personal Protection) over the years. I have a Salztalblick bitch that is first class. She's very high intensity (almost too much for a normal household) and is not a dog for a casual owner. She is reserved/aloof around folks that she doesn't know and goes into defense quickly when threatened. No hackles, just solid deep barking and stands her ground. She won't back down!

She can be a little hard to live with because of her high energy levels and drives but she's easy to train and wants to please...she watches me all the time. If anything, she is "Soft" in that it doesn't take much to get her to cooperate and work...she responds to corrections quickly and smoothly.
She's a tough dog with high pain thresholds (also temperamentally sound). I would say that most folks don't want or need a "hard" dog...they are a pain to work with since they can be unpredictable and defiant. "Hard" to me means that the dog has an obstinate mindset and does not respond easily to normal corrections....basically they challenge you.

I'd get another Salztalblick dog in a minute.

Fero is in most German bloodlines but that's way way back....don't worry about it. One thing that's interesting about dogs with Fero linneage is that they tend to scream (yes scream) when they get excited or are about to go on the field....funny.

Hard does not mean Tough....

cowboy, I had to laugh a little over your statement that the dog taught you to be fair.

I'm imagining there could be quite a few interesting stories behind that statement.

best,
Rik

Rik, it was Cutaway, not cowboy, who learned to be fair from the Salztalblick dog. :)

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