KVBK bloodline confusion - Page 1

Puzzling.... How is it that on a pedigree of a Mali pup - that is not registered with AKC, but instead being sold as KVBK lines - shows the mother as a Belgian Malinois, yet both of that dog's parents are listed as Dutch Shepherds? There are all Dutch Shepherds in the pedigree except the immediate parents of the pup. How is it that the pup and its parents are listed as Beligian Malinois, when all other identified dogs in the pedigree are Dutch Shepherds. Is this normal or weird?
 

Sounds weird to me.  Unless the mating was done & registered
in a country where the Belgian and Dutch Shepherds are all
regarded as the same breed ?  [Not aware of any such !]
Pretty sure all 4 BSDs are regarded as different from the Dutch
Shepherd by the  FCI.
Can you post the pedigree ?
 

Dutch shepherd breedings can result in pups that look like mals. They are more concerned with a dogs working ability, so crossing breeds is not out of the question either. Some people will call them Dutch malinois. They may have a pedigree number but they will not be FCI or AKC registerable.

GinaBel, do you mean in Holland ?  So who/what gives them a
'pedigree number' ?  Thanks, if you can tell us, I'm intrigued as
to quite how that would work.  

nvbk dogs dont have pedigree , they are mixed breeds and every pup that comes out yellow is written as a malinois or Xmalinois, every brindle pup will be written as dutchie or X dutchie, so one litter can have both

Makes me wonder, then, why these dogs have even that much
written down / 'recorded',  as it would be next to useless for
establishing family lineage in order to influence each next
generation for good working abilities or against hereditary problems ?

Thanks for sharing your insights.

If you look up a 6-month old Mali pup on this site that is for sale named "Felix" you will find a link to the bloodline information. You have to "open" the names in the "pedigree" to see whether each dog is listed as a Mal or a DS. Very few of them have photos attached, so I don't know their coloring. By your explanation, anything that doesn't look like a Mali must be identified as a DS.

 

Felix is a female Mali.

Do you mean NVBK or KNPV? 

The KNPV dogs are for the most part mix breeds, they breed for a dog that works, and call it what it looks the most like.  You will see pedigrees full of "Malinois" (aka Fawn dogs), and pedigrees full of "Dutch Shepherds" (AKA brindle dogs) but it's also very common to see pedigrees with a combination of the two, and maybe a GSD or other breed tossed in at some point also.

NVBK dogs are registered, but they are registered with a registry that is not accepted by the FCI for political reasons.  Kind of like having a UKC registered dog in the US.  UKC will accept AKC papers, but AKC won't accept UKC papers.  NVBK Malinois are also not routinely mixed with other breeds.

With respect to the dog  "Felix", who BTW looks like an awesome, level headed working dog, I believe I have figured out that there is some conflicting information that has been entered into the PD: e.g., misspellings of a couple of dogs' names (e.g. Tryann vs. Tryanne), inaccurate/inconsistent labeling of a couple of dogs as Mal or DS - both with the same LOF number.

By best efforts, based on the pedigree info available,  I believe I have figured out that the dog Felix is all Malinois on the sire's line, and a DS on the dam's line. She looks to be a cross based on size, coat type and head shape. I am told she is NVBK, not KNPV, and she is not being offered with any form of registration. I am just trying to understand the lines and the strategy behind the breeding of these working dogs as compared to those coming from "standard" working dog registries. Evidently, these dogs are bred for and used mainly in police work and ring sports.