Need help with dangerous situation - Page 4

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Joanro,

Not my fault you can't keep up or figure it out.  Stay on your fantasy island where you get to make up things as you want.

I'll stick to reality and learning how things actually work.

Your friend was badly bitten, put the Mal down, next time it might be much worst, a child, or a fatality, or both.

Dogs jump, dig under and climb fences and kennels, especially a Mal, if you do not know how to properly use a chain it's no solution either, not for you or the dog.

I think your in too deep with this one.

 

Your BC/C mix has been traumatized, this you might work through but I doubt it considering your post, trainers, gadgets, behaviorist's etc.

Trauma is the hardest thing to overcome and even if you change some of the behavior the problem will still be there hiding under the surface.

 

Beware of self proclaimed trainers, few are what they claim and many are simply full of shit and after much expense your no better off than when you started.

These things take mostly time and patience, tons of it, a long term commitment mostly on your part.

Some corrections, some positive reinforcment, and a lot of re-socializing, you'd have to have a live in trainer unless you do it yourself.

Do you have the time and patience to learn how to do it yourself, because that's what would work best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jackie, one of my aunts loved border collies and used to attend sheep herding trials, just because she loved to watch them work.

Then the inevitable happened. One of the breeders gave her a pup that was too nervy to be able to compete. She was smart as a whip, and before she was 6 months old, they had to spell the word c-o-w, or she'd be off to the field to round them up, whether it was milking time or not.

But let a stranger come on the property, and she'd dive under the porch and hide!

One of my cousins stayed over for a few days, and the dog eventually came out from under the porch, and was starting to get used to her. Then Janet changed her hairstyle to a bun...BACK under the porch she went!

So, yes, a good example of a border collie that was a genetic nervebag. When they sold the farm, the new owners agreed to take her, as moving to the city would have been impossiblly stressful for this dog.

Hundmutter, one of my aunts had a collie/collie mix that was like that. He nailed quite a few people, including myself! My fault entirely...I should NOT have gone into the stable alone when he was there. He nailed me when I turned my back to climb the ladder back into the loft. Now, THAT was a nice pickle! There was no way out of the stable without turning my back and risking a second bite, and he was not backing off! He stayed about 15 feet away from me, barking up a storm!

Finally I mustered my courage, and bolted up the ladder fast as I could, and fortunately, he didn't go after me again!

WHEW! The dog was named Sailor, and he had one ear erect, and one lopped over in typical collie fashion.

It Is A Really Horrible Idea to let a Malinois imprint on another dog. Period.

Our first dog was a German Shepard / Border Collie / Chow mix. Lotsa heart and high

energy first 10 years. She also got nearly killed twice by being run over by a truck and

an attack by a 120# rottweiller. She holds no grudges against the truck but is EXTREMELY

dog aggresive , although she loves people and little kids.

We got our Malinois from a working line when she was 5 y/o, he was 8 weeks. We never allowed

them to play together which is probably a good thing. She still imprinted on him as his "Mommy".

When she does something silly, like barking at other dogs, He just stares at her like she is a madwoman.

The best thing you can do is have your Mal imprint on you and not your Collie. The collie is the problem

and you need to immediately distract and redirect the collie by bringinging out the frisbee. My Mal is

crazy for TUG, BALL, Frisbee, Search, come down stay sit heel. Give him a job to do. Tug is TOO much IMO.

The only time my Mal bit somebody else is when the above rotweiller across the street came and bit

me on the hand and my Mal very quickly came around back behind her and bit her good on the A$$.

She ran away yelping pretty quick. Good Boy!

I repeat, The most important thing here is NOT to let the two dogs play together.

Your Malinois MUST Always play with only YOU.

Really

"She holds no grudges against the truck "

 

sorry i found this amusing altho i know you did not meant it to be...carry on.

Bz, i see you are consistant in your projecting on each thread you post on. Lol. Dazzle away, dazzler. Lol.

Solid nerve = confidence

Weak nerve = insecure

Dogs that are 100% confident never see a threat thus have no reason bite. Weak nerve or insecure dogs will ether hide from all threat or sneak up behind or bite when cornered. They are ensuring they do not get hurt.  You can take a weaker nerved dog with lots of drive and teach them to mask fear by biting.

An example: If you have a bear or hog dog that has zero fear he will die an early death because he will go straight in and get killed by a more powerful animal but if they have enough fear to respect the prey they can stay out of the way of danger until they have an opening to do their work.

Now for the food method....Consider this, you teach the dog to mask it's fear with food and it learns that everyone is here to feed me food that comforts me. Then one day someone comes up and the dog goes to get fed and there is no food and the weak nerve come out and the stranger gets bit. I do have the name and phone number of a good lawyer.

completely disagree with Paul's post.  It doesn't work that way.