Are Titles Necessary Before Breeding? - Page 11

Echo, just when I have some sympathy for your situation, you prove why your mind set is dangerous. A number of people try to tell you what proper breeding should consist of and you tell them they have "nice" thoughts. One person gives you a marginal nod of approval and they're a genius. You'll never get it. You'll never title a dog. You'll never understand what this breed is about.

My mind set is dangerous, Because I have an open mind and am willing to think outside the box ?? Why do you think spook that our Gene pools were so narrowed not so long ago ? Maybe because others like yourself could not or would not think outside the box ? Let's see your titles spook !! come on put them up, what are the names of the dogs YOU have titled ! Who are you to say I will not Title ?? Please give us something "REAL" so we know who you are to tell everyone on this board that I will NEVER title a dog ! Who are you ? What are your qualifications ? Why are you the all mighty expert ? I don't claim to be an expert like yourself but would sure like to know why I should listen to anything you have to say when comments like that come flying out. Typical spook, Get nasty when things don't go his way, gonna go put a "kick me" tag on echo so the rest of the 2nd grade class can laugh. blah blah blah. Seriously spook if you have anything intelligent to say, such as answer the questions at hand. And maybe you would care to reread the post I made, with regard to your "nice" thoughts, in fact I said they're words have been heard !!

Echo, please explain. You apparently are an expert so please clarify: Why do you think spook that our Gene pools were so narrowed not so long ago ? So are you say the byb has actually done a favor for the GSD by mindlessly breeding? I don't understand your point. Is it deflection or is there a point you're trying to make? I title dogs only to compete. (By the way the highest I've ever done was 5th in a national event with a hot dog; let me know when you've titled your first and then we can talk about training.) I am not a breeder and never will be. The responsibility and work (if done properly) are too great. I have a deep respect for legitimate breeders. We have far too many GSD out there and indiscriminate breeding is the cause. You will not find legitimacy on a thread. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!

You know You never fail !! Always come back with blah blah blah AVOID ansering the question. do the right thing indeed, after reading that other thread I think we are well on the right track, maybe we should even stay away from schH all together, LOL. But we will continue to train so long as it is available in the USA. If a Breed Warden, (the all mighty respectful and knowledgeable holy grail) is so uneducated as to let something like that happen, and if they claim it to be I had no idea, OMG (giggle) well then I think I'll stick to my own plan, and don't need your permission to do so, (btw). Sound Structure, Solid Temperaments, NOBLE, HONEST, INTELLIGENT, Dogs to provide a "wonderful" (not terrifying) experience for families ! And for our higher drive dogs, SAR, and K-9 partners who can still "appropriately" interact with the general public "without" a muzzle in petsmart. Don't come at me with the "Do the right thing" This is a breed warden ?? LOLOLOL screwing things up not me !

Spook101, Gustav and others, Give up. Echo will never get it. This entire discussion, as well as the posts on what constitutes an ethical breeder is just more fodder for someone who professes to want to learn and want to do this and that and will do none of it. It is hopeless.

Echo, please explain. You apparently are an expert so please clarify: Why do you think spook that our Gene pools were so narrowed not so long ago ? So are you say the byb has actually done a favor for the GSD by mindlessly breeding? I don't understand your point. Is it deflection or is there a point you're trying to make? I title dogs only to compete. (By the way the highest I've ever done was 5th in a national event with a hot dog; let me know when you've titled your first and then we can talk about training.) I am not a breeder and never will be. The responsibility and work (if done properly) are too great. I have a deep respect for legitimate breeders. We have far too many GSD out there and indiscriminate breeding is the cause. You will not find legitimacy on a thread. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!

Thank You so much all knowing hodie, However your words in this case will be disregarded. I will go on and continue training, so long as it's available to do so in the USA. (don't know how much longer that will be now with breed wardens who can't even "read" a dog) You guys can prosecute me all you want, But I'm sorry I am not the one out there claiming to be the "all knowing" like the breed warden, and then go in and disregard "well written" rules for everyones safety including the safety of the sport, and let my dog bite someone elses dog. I am not held to that higher standard of knowing how to "read" a dog and knowing how to determine "breed worthiness", Let me guess she/he has bred this dog right, I mean hell he's a shcH 3 dog, that means breed him, how many puppies are out of this dog ? frankly I don't blame the dog near as much as the stupid breedwarden "owner", That was a stupid stupid thing to do. and now we will likely all pay for it. But I'm going to be the demise of the GSD according to all you "EXPERTS" ROFL

Hodie, as usual you are probably correct.

List, I am not supporting anyone, just making observations on the breed that I have seen evolved from 1969(my first GS) to the present. I have also titled a dog and trained dogs in the past. I don't feel a need to pursue this any furhter as everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it is interesting that nobody refutes my past references (because they are fact) and some of you diehard newbies can't explain the occurrences of the past. But to be fair if you don't have that point of reference then it is wise to not challenge. I don't have a problem with Title and certs, I just want people to realize ignorance leads to standards that are unacceptable. Its the same with dog training, over my 35 plus years I have seen many different methods used. Started out with the Kohlerer(sp) myself and titled my last dog with primarily positive motivation. But....all methods will work and to a high degree(nationals),it depends on the right person and right dog for the success in that method. Then I see people say the ONLY way to train a dog to the highest level is todays ways and i just smile to myself.Its not that they don't know, its that they don't know what they don't know!(smile) Didn't Fritz Biehler win everything this past year? I saw him handle Falk in 1980 when many of these methods weren't used. He only got 298 or 299 at BSP with Falk. Now if he tells me that todays methods are the ONLY way to train, then I listen, but people who only have their point of reference???? I don't think so. So if you think titles are necessary...great, if you have the knowledge to do it another way...great....lets not mess this wonderful breed up either way.

Gustav, again I agree with your post, Hopefully that does not get you prosecuted here. I like to think that it's ok to "think outside the box" however it's becoming aparent that only Hodie and spook know this breed, and the way spook backs hodie he must have seen her dogs and approved of they're breed worhtiness. Good deal there, Wish he would take me up on my offer.