Dog shot by police, her only crime was being old - Page 12

Tell me why it's ridiculous other than you may have a mental hangup about a bullet.  you can start at level one and work your way up to whatever level you see fit, since there apparently many levels.

I just tend to prefer fact over fiction Gigante. 
Fair is fair. 

In all reality, to be blunt, this dog was likely in
very poor condition. The owners are likely 
dirt poor/of limited income and could not 
'afford' to seek proper treatment for their
animal. Perhaps they were just stupid or ignorant?
I don't know. I can only guess that their economic
status was not the greatest, and whether people feel
it is right or wrong, the Officer performed his duties
as he was advised to do so.  I'm sure (now, this is not
confirmed, I am surmising again), the Officer contacted
his OIC and asked what he should do.

Just in case most of you don't know, anytime an Officer
draws his weapon and fires, he/she must complete
several pages of intricate paperwork to detail all the facts
behind the discharge. There is no 'blow and go' when an
Officer fires his weapon, on or off duty.

Assuming that someone has a hang up on bullet because there are preferred and more accurate ways is lacking at the get go. Just one level needed here. If you take this situation at face value then your bullet in this case resulted in a animal being put down over a ten minute period, possibly suffering.  Having had to put down my companions before, they dropped fast. I will reserve the cells crying and screaming line for those more knowledgeable. Nothing to due with a bullet just the presicion of the person on the other end of the tool.

Fact over fiction fits nicely for the most as well.

I dont think its neccesary to throw up stupid or ignorant owners. I dont think you have enough evidence or fact as you prefer... to go there! Just sayin.

For every A there is a B

We had a nice young bitch who was diagnosed
with severe elbow dysplasia at 10 mos of age.
This diagnosis was reached through 3 different
Ortho specialist evals. To add icing to the cake, 
she also won the lotto and had beyond shitty hips.

We decided to end her suffering, all specialists
confirmed her quality of life would likely be less
than stellar even with surgical intervention.

And yes, she was in horrid pain, it took her jigsaw
puzzle-like elbows to slow her down enough to let us
know there was a problem, prior to that, her hips never
slowed her down. (Which is why xraying is SO important).

Anyway, 'the' appointment was made. We took her to the
burger joint for a craptastic meal fit for a Burger King.
We fed her ice cream, cotton candy, and I don't remember
what the hell else. Took her in, explained she was a very 
tough bitch, and perhaps they might want to use a little
'more' juice than normal. We of course stayed with her. 

Guess what? After 4 minutes, she was STILL breathing.
We had to raise holy hell to have more Euthanol administered.

So I guess I learned, even in a perfect world, things aren't 
always so perfect. They don't always just 'drift off to frolic
at the Rainbow Bridge' even with Euthanol.

I'd bet my own life the "10 minutes" is hardly an accurate description.

If you don't think cells aren't fully capable of sending some pretty hefty signals to the rest of the body that they are in dire need of oxygen, have someone hold your head under water for a while.  Tell me about your experience when your body is starved of oxygen.

when they inject your animal it is getting  pentobarbital  sodium thiopental or a mixture of something similar.

An overdose of these causes basically paralysis of skeletal muscles so they can't spasm and have seizure and then they cause the diaphram to stop and the lungs to stop breathing, then cardiac arrest and all blood and nutrient flow to stop.  Sure the animal looks dead to us, how long till the brain stops functioning?  How long till it stops percieving the signals being sent to it from the periphery?  are they still coming thru?  do the barbituates stop it?  If they stop concious perception can they stop such primal and basic brain functions such as those recieved from oxygen starved cells?

I don't know, do you?  you must since you've said the thought is ridiculous on so many levels.  I do know a bullet can stop all neurologic activity in an instant.  I assume the injections do as well, at least they give us the perception they do as all skeletal muscle is paralyzed and so is the diaphram and cardiac muscle, but when does the brain activity end?  it's not like they measure it to tell us, they listen for a heart beat, what is the brain of a dying animal percieving at that moment? 

Gigante wrote:

Fact over fiction fits nicely for the most as well. I dont think its neccesary to throw up stupid or ignorant owners. I dont think you have enough evidence or fact as you prefer... to go there! Just sayin.

Please re-read what I wrote.
I said
'I don't know. I can only guess <snip>' 

I never stated as fact.

 

Look both dogz I get your point. But I can only assume from not having had a gapping bullet wound ever and having had a great buzz... once back in collage experimenting, ok,,, yesterday.... Im going with the buzz and the sleep. Lets change this to grandma understanding its illegal if you had the choice.... which way would you choose? Why not just shoot grandma in the bed?

 

Dogs aren't people!!!!! OK.

 

Why have you both chosen the drugs over a bullet?  Chances are because its the highest thought percentage of doing it without much trauma or drama.

I do know a bullet can stop all neurologic activity in an instant.

So can my hammer and my hands and a big semi, whats your point. All not great roads, but do lead to the same place.

I think it boils down to which way If you get to choose would you prefer? If both are administered properly each are quite effective. In the case of the bullet in this story it appears not to have been quick and painless. As long as its one of your friends there to pick up your pieces, tomato tamato.  

Why are you people arguing how to kill the dog ? Unbelievable.