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by ziegenfarm on 14 February 2010 - 02:02
awesome topic. i will be watching this one closely.
pjp
pjp
by gsdgary on 14 February 2010 - 04:02
Great thread ,very informative reply from jason and slamdunc.I must admit i love when slamdunc and yoshy are posting,always very interesting stuff,keep up the good work.
Cheers GsdGary
Cheers GsdGary
by AKGeorgias mom on 14 February 2010 - 17:02
Whenever I learn something, it's a good day. Thanks for sharing the wisdom.
Opal
Opal
by Red Sable on 14 February 2010 - 17:02
Jason's not that new,he's been around since 2005. Just not a big poster.
Hope that changes, I agree that you know your stuff Jason.
Great thread!
by Gustav on 14 February 2010 - 20:02
I didnot look at the pedigree, but if the dog is a screamer I will bet that Fero is in the pedigree in the first 5 generations....I could be wrong but it usually the case. I have a screamer also and he is 5-5 on Fero...this is a trait that Fero is known to pass.
by Slamdunc on 15 February 2010 - 00:02
Gustav,
You are correct, Fero is in the pedigree as well as Yoschy. My dog is a Yoschy granddaughter as well. I have heard that some of these dogs are screamers, mine sure is. That's why I was curious about the pedigree. I wouldn't change it, ear plugs work just fine.
Yoshy,
it's not hard to "turn on" the dog with a hidden decoy. After a couple of times of the decoy agitating the dog and running away the handler simply gives the command and the dog will start to light up. The decoy must react immediately then the time is lengthened. If the dog doesn't "turn on" the decoy can make a slight sound or show himself briefly. This is usually enough. For the police dogs these sessions are very intense and it only takes a couple of minutes for the dogs to turn on when the decoy is hidden.
For SchH dogs it depends on the dog and can take a little longer. For some dogs the decoy can go into prey and the dog can get a bite in prey initially. For older dogs or more experienced dogs the decoy can come out and pressure the dog in defense. The dog learns when the command is given to turn on quickly and that it can control the action. The SchH dogs will be rewarded with a bite or the decoy being chased away. The bite is a stress reliever and chasing the decoy away also rewards the dog and builds confidence.
For the police dogs I rarely give the dogs a bite on a sleeve when doing this. The explosive power of the dog meeting the challenge of the decoy and chasing the decoy away is the reward. If we are doing this in a muzzle then a muzzle fight will happen and the dog gets to win. The dog must fight really hard and show real aggression in order to win. Police dogs are different than sport dogs and we don't want to do too much sleeve or equipment oriented work with them.
It is a really impressive thing to watch when someone has the ability to activate or "turn on" their sport dog and have it light up on command. These are serious dogs and even thought they do SchH they are for real. A big part of this training is being able to "turn off" the dog on command. If your dog starts to bark at someone or another dog you can easily stop this behavior on command. There are applications for this training in real life and not just for sport dogs.
GsdGary,
Thanks.
Jim
You are correct, Fero is in the pedigree as well as Yoschy. My dog is a Yoschy granddaughter as well. I have heard that some of these dogs are screamers, mine sure is. That's why I was curious about the pedigree. I wouldn't change it, ear plugs work just fine.
Yoshy,
it's not hard to "turn on" the dog with a hidden decoy. After a couple of times of the decoy agitating the dog and running away the handler simply gives the command and the dog will start to light up. The decoy must react immediately then the time is lengthened. If the dog doesn't "turn on" the decoy can make a slight sound or show himself briefly. This is usually enough. For the police dogs these sessions are very intense and it only takes a couple of minutes for the dogs to turn on when the decoy is hidden.
For SchH dogs it depends on the dog and can take a little longer. For some dogs the decoy can go into prey and the dog can get a bite in prey initially. For older dogs or more experienced dogs the decoy can come out and pressure the dog in defense. The dog learns when the command is given to turn on quickly and that it can control the action. The SchH dogs will be rewarded with a bite or the decoy being chased away. The bite is a stress reliever and chasing the decoy away also rewards the dog and builds confidence.
For the police dogs I rarely give the dogs a bite on a sleeve when doing this. The explosive power of the dog meeting the challenge of the decoy and chasing the decoy away is the reward. If we are doing this in a muzzle then a muzzle fight will happen and the dog gets to win. The dog must fight really hard and show real aggression in order to win. Police dogs are different than sport dogs and we don't want to do too much sleeve or equipment oriented work with them.
It is a really impressive thing to watch when someone has the ability to activate or "turn on" their sport dog and have it light up on command. These are serious dogs and even thought they do SchH they are for real. A big part of this training is being able to "turn off" the dog on command. If your dog starts to bark at someone or another dog you can easily stop this behavior on command. There are applications for this training in real life and not just for sport dogs.
GsdGary,
Thanks.
Jim
by LAVK-9 on 15 February 2010 - 02:02
The black GSD I had would turn on with a command.He was a serious dog.Most helpers didn't like him because of it.I was lucky enough to find the few that knew how to work with a dog like him. He liked the serious stuff though...senarios of someone trying to break in to my car, come in to my house or attack me. Would love to have a dog like him again.
~L~
~L~
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