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Thanks, Ibrahim, but I´m out of here. Doesn´t make sense.
 

Black malinois, no of course not all IPO-dogs can do  KNPV, but the dogs you find in KNPV GSDs is not unique if looking at the pedigrees, so why couldn´t dogs with similar lines or other good dogs from other lines do KNPV if that was an option? I doubt those few GSDs that have placed good in the KNPV championship in the recent years are the best dogs in the world just because of that.

Susie, the "normal" gsd owners who request the dark sable gsd nowadays, is because they have educated themselves through experience with b/r gsd or by reading bs on forums. Either way, most of the people who call me requesting a "dark sable" pup, don't know "why" they want one, other than they heard they are better. It's up to me then, to explain color does not determine temperament, nerves or trainability and choosing a pup based on color is a mistake they get to make without my assistance. ;-)

Johan you are right about the national Championship most of them  are not the best GSD or MALINOIS  THIS ARE POINT DOGS  the more temper, and the
more handler harder, and the more character dogs  you loose too many points  you don,t get 438/ 440 points thats necessary for succeeding. for the titlle and platform.

Off course it,s very good  performance from all those dogs and handlers on the Championships

If I want a real  police dog for the real job I don,t wanna  take  most of  the dogs from the  national championship.
dogs like Max owner  Douwe van Groningen  one of the excepetion what a great   dog I have seen him many times for real this year.

Dogs like Jochie,Arko Kikkert,Boris Doeze , Berrie  II , Wibo van Leeuwen you don,t win the KNPV Championships but are exellent dogs.

For succeeding and  certified PH-1 dog the handler , clubs, helpers are also very important  you need very good team work  but also a suitable dog 50-50 percent


Most of the KNPV GSD  handlers looking for suitable dogs in the pedigree I see many times  the same names in the pedigree of this dogs.
that is one of the reason you see a lot dark /black sable GSD in the KNPV.

susie is right, for many, KNPV is just another marketing tool like Czech DDR  WUSV  BSP etc , fact is that it is a well difined trainable program and there are some exeptional dogs there as well as lesser gods, which is the same in every other dogsport, to mention and show some extremes doesnot mean all dogs training this program are like that, same as in IPO, TART, PSA, and ringsport

I guess those suppliers that primarily buy and breed KNPV dogs for certain top tier organizations for many years are just buying into the fad.  Lol, ask Mike at Loganhaus what he thinks of that.

Its not magic I dont even get the majority of discourse on here, KNPV is less a sport and more a means to certify dogs for sale to military and LEO.  The goal is not to keep the dog and keep scoring points its to cert the dog and sell it.  The end goal for most participant is to sell the dogs for real work.  There breeding is not for structure, or sport only work.  Many good dogs and clubs in one tiny country. 
Why is anyone surprised that such a program consistently produces strong dogs?  There is nothing else quite like it in the working dog world.

Duke is also trolling and yes ask Mike Suttle in de USA Logan Haus kennel I posted some videos this dog are realy tested under high
preasure Mike only went the best of the best, he never buy IPO DOGS  ,.......        only Malinois / Dutchie from KNPV , another serious person
in the USA Jeff Gambler with connections on high level working dogs.

 Same like Dutch police  only buying  KNPV  Malinois they never went    IPO dogs they don,t  take this dogs or IPO program serious every serious handler
 knows that., same  in  Germany why take the German police the  IPO  GSD not anymore serious  they all buying  cross Malinois from KNPV  says enough.
and I can go on and on...............

KNPV is one of the less serious police program in the world


 

I'm a novice working my first dog so forgive me if this is ignorant.

Caro and Edo van Brandevoort seem like very nice KNVP dogs and are linebred on Troll and Fero.  I suspect many other KNVP GSD's are the same.  So what makes them so different than many IPO dogs that are also linebred on Troll and Fero?

From the research I've done it seems like many Dutch KNPV trainers like mail x dutchie crosses.  I also suspect they are much less expensive to purchase than GSD's.  How much does this factor into them being used more by police and other organizations?

Wake up it,s not a money  thing most of GSD lacks in many  properties  ask every serious KNPV handler/ helper- decoy  not the IPO people on this
forum.

I think BM is missing the point,

I don't think anyone is bashing KNPV. People have only pointed out that some unscrupulous folks will attempt to use KNPVs success as a marketing ploy to improve their bank account.   

Mike Delaney